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Hello everyone, I was inquiring about overclocking on another forum and someone suggested that I come to an Overclocking forum to find out if my cpu overclocks well, if it doesn't, or if its locked. I have basically no experience overclocking and I've tried a few things that haven't worked so I thought I'd ask before I try anything else. Here are my cpu and mobo specs:

Intel P4 2.0 GHz
- FSB 400 MHZ
- L2 Cache 512k

MSI 645E Max v.2

Let me know if you need any other info. Any information you can give would be much appreciated. Thanks!
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well your cpu isnt locked, im pretty sure all or most cpus can overclock no matter what...its the mobo probably if you cant now..but thats pretty old, just a suggestion of maybe upgrading? iono but to find out your stepping, either look on the cpu or cpu-z
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at the risk of sounding completely stupid what does "iono" mean? Is that an acronym or did you mispell something? And just a reminder that you're dealing with a total newb cuz I don't know what stepping means either. Or cpu-z for that matter. Sorry, baby steps. But I appreciate the help!
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at the risk of sounding completely stupid what does "iono" mean? Is that an acronym or did you mispell something? And just a reminder that you're dealing with a total newb cuz I don't know what stepping means either. Or cpu-z for that matter. Sorry, baby steps. But I appreciate the help!
Hello Unclejunebug! Welcome tothe forums . CPU-Z is a program that will display most of the hard ware and what speed it is running at (I'd reccomend it if you don't know all of the information). Filling out your UserCP will help us help you. {UserCP > Edit System specs}. I would guess "iono" is vvery short for I don't know... lol. Be sure to check out out FAQ section for help with overclocking. Enjoy your stay here!
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I tried to look online, but I have a hard time finding a manual for your motherboard... Overclocking functions are generally available in the BIOS (accesible by pressing a button upon boot, often DEL or F2 or F10, or another on). If you have the manual for your motherboard, read the BIOS section.

Otherwise, access the BIOS, and look for any place where you can change the FSB (set at 100 default, since your FSB is 400MHz Quad Pumped). If you find that, you can increase it... but do it step-by-step. Don't take any risks. Make sure that PCI is locked (I.E. set it at 33/66 and NOT any other number or AUTO)

I recommend highly you read the excellent FAQ from NoAffinity, which you can find here:
http://www.overclock.net/overclock.p...uide-intel.htm

Otherwise, I tend to agree that you might be ready for an upgrade.

EDIT: and yes, give us some more info about your hardware
    
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Thanks for the welcome Mr. Nooblar! I have Everest which I'm guessing is basically the same thing as cpu-z. If there is some other information that is not in my system specs that you need let me know and I'll find it.

I've tried overclocking the RAM in the bios but that consisted of me changing one setting from Normal to Fast I think it was, and I had no idea what I was doing. After I saved the changes and exited the computer wouldn't boot. Worked fine after resetting the CMOS though.

As for overclocking the cpu the only thing that I have tried so far is running the auto function of Fuzzy Logic 4. This resulted in the program running it's test for about a second, then the computer restarted and hung on reboot. So I restarted the computer and checkdisk started fixing a bunch of files and some other stuff happened like a few of my pci cards not being recognized. I believe that's all fixed now though so I'm a little heistant to try anything else.

I completely agree that I'm due for an upgrade, but since I don't have the money I'm trying to squeeze everything I can get out of what I've got. But I'm starting to think that my mobo just isn't good for overclocking.

Is there anything else I can try?
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post #7 of 19
Video card can help the cpu if the card is faster. So you can do oc with teh video card plus if you post a screenie. Is that a socket 478 or a socket 423?.
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Is there anything else I can try?
Hi and welcome to the Forums Unclejunebug,

The below options are changeable on your motherboard.

Advanced Chipset Features:
  • AGP Aperture Size: Set to 256 for your Radeon 9600
  • DRAM CAS Latency: AUTO: Leave at Auto for now
  • Timing Setting Mode: Leave at Normal for now
  • MA 1T/2T Select: AUTO: This setting controls the DRAM command rate. Leave at auto for now.
  • AGP/PCI Frequency: 66.6/33.3
  • Host to Memory Latency: Normal: Leave at Normal for now



Frequency/Voltage Control:
  • Detect CPU FSB Clock: Set to Disabled or Manual
  • CPU FSB Clock (MHz): 100MHz: This is where you raise your Front Side Bus MHz
  • CPURAM CLock Ratio
  • DRAM Frequency: 266 (Forces pc2100 and will exclude the dram from the overclock, you will get to this after you find your successful overclock)
  • CPU Multiple Factory: Locked: This is your CPU Multiplier and unless you have an unlocked (Engineering Sample) CPU, you can not change this.
  • Unused PCI Slot/DIMM Clock: AUTO: Set to "Stopped". This will stop any open (free) dimm slot or pci slot from auto detection.
  • Clock Spread Spectrum: Enabled: Set to "Disabled"
  • DRAM Vcore Adjust: 2.6V: Leave alone
  • AGP/PCI Frequency: 66.6/33.3
  • Host to Memory Latency: Normal: Leave at Normal for now



Note the CPU FSB Clock. This is where you will "Carefully" raise your fsb. You do not have a PCI/AGP lock which is an ability to lock your AGP/PCI busses out of the overclock so you have to be careful in the raise. Only a few increments at a time 100 to 102 and test with Prime95. If stable then 102 - 104 etc. Once you find instability then drop down a few increments and test. You do not want to go higher than a 225 FSB as that will take your PCI bus past 37MHz which is not a good thing, but you will be fine lower than this and it will gain you some overclockability.

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You do not want to go higher than a 225 FSB as that will take your PCI bus past 37MHz which is not a good thing
Is the cause of my pci cards not being recognized after reboot? And another thing that may be causing a problem is that my CMOS battery is old and after I had to reset the CMOS using the jumper I got a screen that said my battery was dying. Could that cause problems as well? I guess if a dying battery causes the loss of CMOS settings than it probably is.

Also, I have the most recent BIOS version from the MSI website but that version is like 2 years old. Would updating to a newer version from a bios upgrade company give me more options? Or is there some place where I can download a more recent BIOS for free?

Thanks for your help everyone!
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post #10 of 19
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Is the cause of my pci cards not being recognized after reboot?
If you go higher than 225 you can have problems with your pci/agp cards and pci/agp bus itself. Not a good idea.

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And another thing that may be causing a problem is that my CMOS battery is old and after I had to reset the CMOS using the jumper I got a screen that said my battery was dying. Could that cause problems as well? I guess if a dying battery causes the loss of CMOS settings than it probably is.
This will just cause you to lose your BIOS CMOS settings.

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Also, I have the most recent BIOS version from the MSI website but that version is like 2 years old. Would updating to a newer version from a bios upgrade company give me more options? Or is there some place where I can download a more recent BIOS for free?
Not really. There are places that you can purchase BIOS's that will allow extended drive sizes etc but not much use otherwise. Sometimes on a board that has a great many users (ABIT BH6, VP6 etc) there is a cult following where a BIOS programmer will create extended features (that are hidden but there) in the BIOS and flashes will enable these hidden features. Your board does not have this characteristic though.

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