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Originally Posted by Art Vanelay View Post

The NH-D14 is $90 with quiet fans; the H100 is $110 with loud fans.
Yes, you will get almost the same results:
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/corsair_hydro_series_h100/4.htm
The performance would also degrade if you switched to quiet fans.
I do actually own a water cooler on my GTX 480, so I know what owning one is like. I find that the tubes from it are really annoying to deal with. There isn't much to owning a heat sink other than its thermal performance and ease of installation, which is simple on both coolers.

Here you go getting carried away with stuff you don't know about again. So you're saying it's impossible to get the same performance with a quieter fan? You must not be aware that there are tons and tons of fans designed just for rads that will perform way better than the stock ones and are more quiet. Not to mention why is this even a problem. The stock fans aren't that loud and can hardly be said to be louder than the fans on air coolers.

Installation on giant air coolers easy? You must not really have any experience here at all. Air coolers a giant pain to install. My favorite part of water cooling is just how simple the installation becomes.

Please stop. You're arguing about something no one agrees with you about.

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Originally Posted by IT Diva View Post

I have to agree here, and I've been building computers for decades now.
The closed loop cooling units finally freed builders of the need for massive, heavy, cumbersome heatsinks for hi performance rigs, and allowed for cleaner nicer looking mid range rigs.
While it is a matter of personal preference as to whether one chooses the giant air cooling mass, or the compact CLC, when you weigh the ease of working in your rig, not being particularly constrained in your RAM choices, and the lowered probability of mobo damage from less than extremely carefull movement of the rig, then the extra few bucks you pay for the CLC option are as well spent as it gets.
Get the H100, and if you find it louder than you want to deal with, then change the fans. Everyone has a different acceptable noise level.
Darlene

Thank you this is what I was trying to get at.
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I don't entirely agree on what was said about not having the right to give purchasing advice on stuff you haven't yourself ever tried. I mean some stuff like I don't know an Asrock z77 extreme 4 or a CM 212+ (evo or whatever the best one is), curcial M4s, Samsung 830s, etc etc... are just known to be great. What you shouldn't suggest without having tried yourself though is mecanical keyboards (I for instance use a lycosa and I hate the blackwidow although everybody's saying how great mecanical keyboards are) or watercooling stuff, movies etc... (nothing to do with computers but I just hate how people tell you to watch a movie just because it's got good reviews).
Back to the topic:
Haven't ever seen a H100 on a friend's rig so I can tell but I'd rather throw in the extra cash and get a H100 than an expensive heatsink.
Firstly because I'd get worried about the stressing on the motherboard with a big heatsink (I know that sounds stupid but I'm sure I'm not the only one to worry about that although it's not going to snap your board or anything). And mostly because it'd look cleaner. It might even be better for airflow (having down in the bottom of the case) but that's just me guessing.
EDIT: and the ram thing as darlene said.

You're right in the sense that you can say "Lot's of people have this product, it gets great reviews maybe you should try it." But you shouldn't go making blanket statements about and entire line of products when you have very little to no personal experience. There is more to this hobby than reading reviews, I feel some people on here get a little carried away with their advice sometimes.
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post #12482 of 15204
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Here you go getting carried away with stuff you don't know about again. So you're saying it's impossible to get the same performance with a quieter fan? You must not be aware that there are tons and tons of fans designed just for rads that will perform way better than the stock ones and are more quiet. Not to mention why is this even a problem. The stock fans aren't that loud and can hardly be said to be louder than the fans on air coolers.
The stock ones are 2000 rpm and quiet ones, like noctuas, have a lower rotation speed.
Here's a review where they test it:
It gained two degrees with the quiet Noctuas.
Also, yes the stock fans are louder on the H100 than ones on the NH-D14.

Basically all I have been trying to say is that the NH-D14's thermal performance is very similar to the H100, so it comes down almost entirely to whether you care if a large heatsink is in your computer; if you don't care, then get an NH-D14.
post #12483 of 15204
@num1son: I totally agree with you. Not trying to give him right or anything, as I said I'm still on a stock cooler because I can't see the benefit of a aftermarket cooler right now as I can barely here mine on idle and at load the gpu covers up it's noise (I use a headset anyway) and I'll probably get myself an xspc kit if I ever figure how to have them shipped to france but that won't come before an ugrade after which I'll probably get a cheap CM heatsink to start with anyway as I'm low on money. I mounted a Dark Rock Pro on a friend's mobo, it is a pain to do, that I can confirm.

@Art Vanelay: Timetolivecustoms is one of the best Youtube channels in my opinion. Nothing to do with the thread but am I the only one to think Lavcopricetech are horrible reviewers ? To me they're really brutal with stuff and worship Cooler Master as some kind of god but maybe that's just me.
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post #12484 of 15204
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@num1son: I totally agree with you. Not trying to give him right or anything, as I said I'm still on a stock cooler because I can't see the benefit of a aftermarket cooler right now as I can barely here mine on idle and at load the gpu covers up it's noise (I use a headset anyway) and I'll probably get myself an xspc kit if I ever figure how to have them shipped to france but that won't come before an ugrade after which I'll probably get a cheap CM heatsink to start with anyway as I'm low on money. I mounted a Dark Rock Pro on a friend's mobo, it is a pain to do, that I can confirm.
@Art Vanelay: Timetolivecustoms is one of the best Youtube channels in my opinion. Nothing to do with the thread but am I the only one to think Lavcopricetech are horrible reviewers ? To me they're really brutal with stuff and worship Cooler Master as some kind of god but maybe that's just me.
No, lavco price tech is awful. I like the techsource the best because of how professional their reviews are tongue.gif.

Also, you only ever need to swap from the Intel stock cooler if you are overclocking; The only real benefit that a good heat sink provides is greater thermal dissipation. it is almost silent at 1500RPM and just slightly audible at 2000.
post #12485 of 15204
Wow, thanks for all the responses, guys.

I think I'll go with the H100, mostly because of what IT Diva/Darlene said biggrin.gif

IF the H100 does get too loud for me, what are some good, quiet, powerful 120mms I can sub in?
post #12486 of 15204
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Originally Posted by KaielSu View Post

Wow, thanks for all the responses, guys.
I think I'll go with the H100, mostly because of what IT Diva/Darlene said biggrin.gif
IF the H100 does get too loud for me, what are some good, quiet, powerful 120mms I can sub in?
Noctua NF-F12s are the best fans you can get IMO.
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Originally Posted by Art Vanelay View Post

No, lavco price tech is awful. I like the techsource the best because of how professional their reviews are tongue.gif.
Also, you only ever need to swap from the Intel stock cooler if you are overclocking; The only real benefit that a good heat sink provides is greater thermal dissipation. it is almost silent at 1500RPM and just slightly audible at 2000.

I'll check that channel out then I guess, thanks smile.gif.

And, yes, that's why I'm not changing mine, the mobo wouldn't even allow for overclocking anyway.
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I'll check that channel out then I guess, thanks smile.gif.
And, yes, that's why I'm not changing mine, the mobo wouldn't even allow for overclocking anyway.
Well, overclocking is only worth it if you actually are doing something that utilizes your cores fully; I only play games, and my processor is overkill for almost all games.
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Also, you only ever need to swap from the Intel stock cooler if you are overclocking.

Or if you have pride in craftsmanship. Most (though not all) of the modders here do mods for aesthetics, in addition to function, because they are proud of their rig and what they've done to it; they are proud of themselves and their work. They want their rig to be something they can show off to friends and the community (not showboat, but humbly display) because, especially in a place like this, you are represented ONLY by what you say, how you word it, and your machine. If you have a high quality machine (not necessarily powerful), say nice things, are respectful even when you criticize, spell words correctly, are tactful, and use correct grammar (unless you're foreign, we understand how hard it is to learn English), you will be respected.

But who am I to rant (Sorry everyone, I am ranting) about mods and what they say about people? My phantom is my first custom computer, as well as my first desktop. Even before I modded anything, just putting the thing together, I learned an incredible amount about computers, how they work, various standards, and branding, among other things. Even before I modded anything, I was proud of my machine because it sat on my desk and was a symbol of what I learned from the experience and what I could do with my knowledge. I was proud of my machine even before I modded it. I haven't done a ton of mods, but I have lots of plans, once I am financially capable. What have I done so far? I've filled in all of the fans, painted the trim blue, cut out the side 200mm fan mount leaving a screened window, and added water cooling.

Water cooling. I don't overclock. I'd like to. I certainly have the hardware for it. I probably will one day, but I'm scared to do it. I don't have the money to replace anything I fry trying to do it, and I know that I don't know very much about it. I'll look into it when I don't rely on my computer for everyday function.

I mod because I am proud of my computer and my craftsmanship. My computer reflects me and represents me. I don't want to look in my window and see a chunky fan and spiney piece of aluminum labeled "intel". I want to see something awesome, something I would be willing to let represent me in a place like this. If that isn't what you want for you, if you are proud of your stock cooler, that's fine. Be proud. If it's what you want, we are happy for you that you have what you desire.

Painting, windows, lights, panels, carbon fiber, PSU sleeving. Especially sleeving, a mod that takes forever. All of these are done primarily for aesthetics. I'm learning to sleeve. It's going to take forever, but it's going to look really good.

I understand that some people don't see the need to go above and beyond what's necessary. That's fine. Sometimes we're circumstantially forced to live like that. I know I am sometimes, and I can't wait for the day when that isn't the case. There's so much I want to do.

Please don't stop us from dreaming. Please don't discredit our pride.

(Now, watch me be a hypocrite and make a spelling or grammar mistake in this post. rolleyes.gif)
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~Snip~ Holy rant batman!

Are you running for office? I'm moved.
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