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Sebody said something about the front 200mm preventing for installing a rad. Could you please explain yourself ?
There are 200mm rads out there and a 200mm has more rad surfave than a 280mm and isn't far from a 360mm.
If you were talking about removing the drive bays and putting a 240mm nothimg stops you from doing a slight mod.

@XNine, from several french hardware websites comments on Phantom 820 news I can tell that most French potential buyers really love the case and some go as far as putting it in their top 3 favourite cases (go figure... I've noticed over the time that most French consider lots oflighting to be gamer-like....). But not a single one of them is alright woth its price.
Now I see that most here on OCN agree with that too and some even say it's worth $150. While I do agree with it being overpriced I can't say it's worth so less. I'd say it's well worth $180.
What are you guys going to do about that ?


@everybody the Phantom was/is extremely cheap for what it is that doesn't mean its successor should be too.
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The more I look at this case, the more I like it. I like all the new design cues - except the profile. I also don't like the price, but would think it to be worth $180 or so. It DOES have 3 200mm fans, a 140mm fan, and a Hue (built in albeit). I paid almost $50 just for 2 red NZXT LED 200mm fans and a 140 about 6 months ago. Again, I honestly don't believe the price will stay as high as it is...

On a side note, NZXT should send me 2 of these cases and in time I could make it look like the real new Phantom lol. Just stretch it out a bit...

You know what Phantom I'd like to see? An M-ATX/M-ITX Phantom with a rotated mobo tray and a lengthy profile. Basically a tiny version of the original, but fresh.
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post #13273 of 15204
I think one of the more endearing and unique features of the original phantom was that it was longer than it was high, giving it a less boxxy look.

The new one doesn't follow that, and with all the extra height that's been added, you don't get anything of functional consequence for it.

I'd of at certainly hoped for 420 rad support, seeing as how they set the bar there with the now much less expensive 810, but not even having full push - pull for a 60mm thick 360, is a total deal breaker at anywhere close to that ~ $250 price point.

I'd have to guestimate that the overwhelming majority of purchasers of a $250 full tower sized case are going to WC, and as such, it should have been designed with them as the target demographic.

One of the big things I was always critical of the 410 for, besides the horrible fugly mesh on the side panel, was the door not opening past the 90 degree point, where as the phantom opened comfortably more . . . .

So in their infinite wisdom, they make the 820 just like the 410 . . . . . . Hope they have lots of extra doors made up for customer service to ship out.

Perhaps they might consider shipping the 820 with a Switch 810 windowed side panel included, at least it would come a little closer to being worth the asking price, and make it sufficiently attractive to a much larger demographic.


I'm not sure what NZXT is using for a focus group, but it's time to change it. . . . . Maybe add a few folks over 25 or 30 who have been at this game for a decade of so.


Anyway,
They need to do something to make the 820 a much better value at such a high price point, or it's going to be a real black eye on the NZXT reputation.

Bling just doesn't cut it without the performance to back it up.



Disappointed,

Darlene
Edited by IT Diva - 10/16/12 at 1:57am
post #13274 of 15204
Quote:
Originally Posted by corysti View Post

You would think if they were replacing the phantom with this it would be near or at the same price range....Not even close. mad.gif
I think i would pick the switch before this one and it's cheaper...

Yeah I agree with you completely Corysti, i would pick the switch 810 over the phantom 820 because of the price. mad.gif
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post #13275 of 15204
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Originally Posted by steelkevin View Post

Sebody said something about the front 200mm preventing for installing a rad. Could you please explain yourself ?
There are 200mm rads out there and a 200mm has more rad surfave than a 280mm and isn't far from a 360mm.
If you were talking about removing the drive bays and putting a 240mm nothimg stops you from doing a slight mod.

@XNine, from several french hardware websites comments on Phantom 820 news I can tell that most French potential buyers really love the case and some go as far as putting it in their top 3 favourite cases (go figure... I've noticed over the time that most French consider lots oflighting to be gamer-like....). But not a single one of them is alright woth its price.
Now I see that most here on OCN agree with that too and some even say it's worth $150. While I do agree with it being overpriced I can't say it's worth so less. I'd say it's well worth $180.
What are you guys going to do about that ?


@everybody the Phantom was/is extremely cheap for what it is that doesn't mean its successor should be too.

I don't have any control over the pricing of items. Keep in mind, I'm the Community Support guy, not the CEO/Design/Marketing Guy. If NZXT feels that this is a reasonable price, that's their call, not mine.

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Originally Posted by IT Diva View Post

I think one of the more endearing and unique features of the original phantom was that it was longer than it was high, giving it a less boxxy look.

The new one doesn't follow that, and with all the extra height that's been added, you don't get anything of functional consequence for it.

I'd of at certainly hoped for 420 rad support, seeing as how they set the bar there with the now much less expensive 810, but not even having full push - pull for a 60mm thick 360, is a total deal breaker at anywhere close to that ~ $250 price point.

I'd have to guestimate that the overwhelming majority of purchasers of a $250 full tower sized case are going to WC, and as such, it should have been designed with them as the target demographic.

One of the big things I was always critical of the 410 for, besides the horrible fugly mesh on the side panel, was the door not opening past the 90 degree point, where as the phantom opened comfortably more . . . .

So in their infinite wisdom, they make the 820 just like the 410 . . . . . . Hope they have lots of extra doors made up for customer service to ship out.

Perhaps they might consider shipping the 820 with a Switch 810 windowed side panel included, at least it would come a little closer to being worth the asking price, and make it sufficiently attractive to a much larger demographic.


I'm not sure what NZXT is using for a focus group, but it's time to change it. . . . . Maybe add a few folks over 25 or 30 who have been at this game for a decade of so.


Anyway,
They need to do something to make the 820 a much better value at such a high price point, or it's going to be a real black eye on the NZXT reputation.

Bling just doesn't cut it without the performance to back it up.



Disappointed,

Darlene

Interesting ideas.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by corysti View Post

You would think if they were replacing the phantom with this it would be near or at the same price range....Not even close. mad.gif
I think i would pick the switch before this one and it's cheaper...

Yeah I agree with you completely Corysti, i would pick the switch 810 over the phantom 820 because of the price. mad.gif

Nobody ever said that this was replacing the original Phantom. It's a successor to the original, yes, but this will not be the only Phantom you see.
post #13276 of 15204
I love it, definitely buying it for my next build unless something even better comes along.
post #13277 of 15204
Xnine, any word on when preorders will be available to canada or when canadian retailers should have stock?
post #13278 of 15204
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Originally Posted by XNine View Post

I don't have any control over the pricing of items. Keep in mind, I'm the Community Support guy, not the CEO/Design/Marketing Guy. If NZXT feels that this is a reasonable price, that's their call, not mine.
I know but as a Rep you represent the company on these boards (and OC3D if I'm not mistaken ?). I'm guessing that means you get their word to us but that it also works the other way around. Right ?
I wasn't saying "hey, XNine, lower that price right now, we ain't liking it as it is".
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Nobody ever said that this was replacing the original Phantom. It's a successor to the original, yes, but this will not be the only Phantom you see.
Thanks for clearing that up. Looks like I wasn't the only one who'd been confused by the term "successor" (if a king lets the throne to his successor / heir it means the king is going out of business / off the market).


Do you know why the Gun Metal edition was chosen to represent the Phantom 820 ? I personally think that was a terrible choice. I find it absolutely hideous in that color and I think the white one looks way better (I didn't really like the first phantom in black but this one's black version still looks better than the Gun Metal one).
Am I alone thinking this ?
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post #13279 of 15204
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Originally Posted by Davitz View Post

Xnine, any word on when preorders will be available to canada or when canadian retailers should have stock?

Probably about 2 weeks for Canada, same as US.
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Originally Posted by XNine View Post

I don't have any control over the pricing of items. Keep in mind, I'm the Community Support guy, not the CEO/Design/Marketing Guy. If NZXT feels that this is a reasonable price, that's their call, not mine.
I know but as a Rep you represent the company on these boards (and OC3D if I'm not mistaken ?). I'm guessing that means you get their word to us but that it also works the other way around. Right ?
I wasn't saying "hey, XNine, lower that price right now, we ain't liking it as it is".
Quote:
Originally Posted by XNine View Post

Nobody ever said that this was replacing the original Phantom. It's a successor to the original, yes, but this will not be the only Phantom you see.
Thanks for clearing that up. Looks like I wasn't the only one who'd been confused by the term "successor" (if a king lets the throne to his successor / heir it means the king is going out of business / off the market).


Do you know why the Gun Metal edition was chosen to represent the Phantom 820 ? I personally think that was a terrible choice. I find it absolutely hideous in that color and I think the white one looks way better (I didn't really like the first phantom in black but this one's black version still looks better than the Gun Metal one).
Am I alone thinking this ?

NZXT is aware of the concerns of the community regarding price. And yes, I do provide feedback to the company from the community. However, I don't think their decision on price will be changed. I could be wrong, but, I don't see it in the near future.

Not sure on the Gunmetal version. The ones you see in reviews are pre-production units, which were the first ones assembled and shipped out to reviewers before the case was finalized for mass production.

I actually prefer the P820 in black, whereas the S810 I preferred in Gunmetal.
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Awesome, thanks smile.gif ill be watchig the stores like a hawk with my credit card in hand lol.
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