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Glad you decided to stay haha
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I was looking around because there's no way I could sleep without understandimg what you guys were all trying to say.
I eventually found answers and understood what you lot were trying to say.
I then started looking for reviews on 140mm fans. Needless to say I was impressed by the amount of people totally ignoring OP and suggesting 120mm adaptors...
Anyway after an hour or so I thought about the Akasa Apache Blacl 140mm fans which I'd been discussing with a mate (akasa claim the apache has a static pressure of 2.7) and decided to check its price (again) a website gave me a list of FR retailers and prices, lowest being 15€. But I remember having seen it on one for 11 or 12€. All that lead up to me going to that retailer's site and checking the fan's price.
What a miracle ! There were 6 left @50% off.
So I snuck out of bed and took my little brother's laptop to order 4 of them. He put a password on it ! Tried my older brother's, same thing ! What the hell's with them and passwords ? They've got nothing to protect !
Anyway tried using my phone. Order failed for unknown reason. Tried again a minute or two later and same message showed up. Then I recieved an email confirming my order. So I still don't know how many I've ordered, hopefully only one order was registered. I'll see tomorrow if I've got a second email I guess...
So there's that. 6€ per fan. 5€ shipping (had forgot how cheap local shipping was, aquatuning charge me 10€ and others want 40...).
30€ for four Akasa Apache Black 140mm fans.
Problem solved for the bottom rad.
I bet I can swll the noctuas 5€ to locals in no time so that's 30-20€, 10€ to change my fans to proper ones.
Sorry about that off topic spam, I just needed to get tjat out before I could go to sleep wink.gif.
Good night everybody (3am already....)

I don't think "which fans to use" was the issue. "How you use the fans you have" was what we were trying to convey.

Whatever. Good find on inexpensive fans! Always useful to have around.
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Well if I remember well, Kgtuning mentionned the gap between my top rad's fans and the rad itself. So that was the first issue.
Then Phelan (glad to know you'll still be hanging around) explained a bit more or just in different words.
And finally it somehow ended up with me realizing that the Noctuas having a round frame was an even bigger issue.
You even helped me understand why by mentioning the dust pattern (pictured it in my head and frlm that I was able understand).
The Noctuas not being "closed" (a square frame) meant that there was only a huge gap between the rad and fans and it wasn't sealed at all. Meaning basically that the only part my fans were actually cooling (and doing a terrible job at it) was the rad surface straight below the fan. That and air escaping from the side was a much bigger issue than the top fans' gap which I will fill with that "gasket" thing (don't know the word but I'll figure out the french equivalent wink.gif).

So no, it wasn't the issue to start with but I've always hated Noctuas (they really look horrible...) and understanding why they weren't fit for a radiator helped me make my mind up and order some new ones (ones that I really like the looks and which specification sheet claims is incredible, at half pric.


EDIT: Gasket material is any sealing materiel whether liquid or solid. French for it is sealing material.
Anyway, found this: http://www.aquatuning.fr/product_info.php/language/en/info/p7836_Phobya-radiator-sealing-strip--200cm-.html
I'll use cardboard+ductape until I need to get stuff from aquatuning (well I already do need stuff but I meant when I actually have the money to do so).
Edited by steelkevin - 11/6/12 at 1:33am
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Well if I remember well, Kgtuning mentionned the gap between my top rad's fans and the rad itself. So that was the first issue.
Then Phelan (glad to know you'll still be hanging around) explained a bit more or just in different words.
And finally it somehow ended up with me realizing that the Noctuas having a round frame was an even bigger issue.
You even helped me understand why by mentioning the dust pattern (pictured it in my head and frlm that I was able understand).
The Noctuas not being "closed" (a square frame) meant that there was only a huge gap between the rad and fans and it wasn't sealed at all. Meaning basically that the only part my fans were actually cooling (and doing a terrible job at it) was the rad surface straight below the fan. That and air escaping from the side was a much bigger issue than the top fans' gap which I will fill with that "gasket" thing (don't know the word but I'll figure out the french equivalent wink.gif).
So no, it wasn't the issue to start with but I've always hated Noctuas (they really look horrible...) and understanding why they weren't fit for a radiator helped me make my mind up and order some new ones (ones that I really like the looks and which specification sheet claims is incredible, at half pric.
EDIT: Gasket material is any sealing materiel whether liquid or solid. French for it is sealing material.
Anyway, found this: http://www.aquatuning.fr/product_info.php/language/en/info/p7836_Phobya-radiator-sealing-strip--200cm-.html
I'll use cardboard+ductape until I need to get stuff from aquatuning (well I already do need stuff but I meant when I actually have the money to do so).

Ok, cool. Fair enough. The closed (square) frame will help, but not completely fix the issue. Just making sure you weren't expecting all of your problems to mysteriously and magically dissappear...

...but wouldn't that be nice... thumb.gif
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Well, before you lot told me I actual had a problem I wasn't even aware I did so it's more of a faulty mounting than a real issue. The loop works and my CPU is pretty cool (or so I was told by many here on OCN, I used to be really worried about a stock i7-860 getting 54° with such a loop, I was told it was normal). It's sort of like mounting a CPU block. If you remount it you might lose a couple °C but it doesn't mean you actually had a real problem.

My problems with my loop were (are) aestethics, the Noctua fans being replaced solves a huge part of that (the others being, getting something like a 150 EK res, sorting the tubing "mess", changing fittings (at least the 90s on the reservoir which wouldn't be necessary with one of those EK ones) and getting a clear CPU block) oh and I need to add a GPU, it'd fix that ugly bottom to top rad line too.



Won't those fans (proper fans) fix the issue for the bottom rad ?
I know it'll do nothing for the top one but that I'll temporarly fix with cardboard and ductape as suggested (great idea btw, can't remember who suggested it, you're all getting +Rep when I get my lazy self out of bed and all anyway).

What issue is there still left to fix frown.gif ?
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Well, before you lot told me I actual had a problem I wasn't even aware I did so it's more of a faulty mounting than a real issue. The loop works and my CPU is pretty cool (or so I was told by many here on OCN, I used to be really worried about a stock i7-860 getting 54° with such a loop, I was told it was normal). It's sort of like mounting a CPU block. If you remount it you might lose a couple °C but it doesn't mean you actually had a real problem.
My problems with my loop were (are) aestethics, the Noctua fans being replaced solves a huge part of that (the others being, getting something like a 150 EK res, sorting the tubing "mess", changing fittings (at least the 90s on the reservoir which wouldn't be necessary with one of those EK ones) and getting a clear CPU block) oh and I need to add a GPU, it'd fix that ugly bottom to top rad line too.
Won't those fans (proper fans) fix the issue for the bottom rad ?
I know it'll do nothing for the top one but that I'll temporarly fix with cardboard and ductape as suggested (great idea btw, can't remember who suggested it, you're all getting +Rep when I get my lazy self out of bed and all anyway).
What issue is there still left to fix frown.gif ?

No detrimental issues, but there's always little things you can do to get small increases. Most of them involve moving more air through rads. Others are double checking your lines, making sure they aren't kinked anywhere, air free, and whatnot. Maintenance is the biggest thing. Always open up your case and check your loop periodically, top it off, remove dust from rads and fans, things like that.
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No detrimental issues, but there's always little things you can do to get small increases. Most of them involve moving more air through rads. Others are double checking your lines, making sure they aren't kinked anywhere, air free, and whatnot. Maintenance is the biggest thing. Always open up your case and check your loop periodically, top it off, remove dust from rads and fans, things like that.

It sounded like you were talking about serious issues, you'd got me worried there xD.

And I used to open the case every day if not several times a day and check stuff but since I'd put a 200mm fan on the side panel I couldn't be bothered to do it anymore.
No kinks, no air, still have to get dust filters if I don't want the rads to end up looking like they did when got them (cheap ways of making homemade dust filters myself would be great if you lot know about anything), removing dust from the rads is out of the question. At least for now it is. You don't even want to know how the Noctua fans are attached, it really took me a while to mount them (and the first time they weren't they were upside down, could've just flipped the rad but the loop was already put together and I'd rather have the EK logo the right way up).

There are a couple lines that would need shortening but I'm not in the mood to take the loop a part again. Draining and even just taking the entire loop out in a single go with only my two hands (and chin actually) is really hard to do. Plus I can't let my coolant go to waste or get contaminated so that's extra hustle. Next time I have take it a part (I can manage changing the fans without removing anything, I hope) I'll add a drain line, a temp sensor to the third thread of my reservoir and hopefully a GPU. I wouldn't take it a part to fix aesthetics since it's far from complete and there's no window right now anyway.



Have people lost interest in this club since the Phantom 820 was released ? It just seems like a part from a couple of us talking about my loop there hasn't been much going on lately.
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Well for my rig I'm still trying to come up with the funds to get a 7970, and I'm still debating between the DC2 or reference. I have my 6950 unlocked and 16 GB Avexir CORE with red LEDs I need to get sold to do so though.
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Have people lost interest in this club since the Phantom 820 was released ? It just seems like a part from a couple of us talking about my loop there hasn't been much going on lately.

Judging by the scarcity of people in the 820 thread, I doubt that's the issue.

Maybe once they're out, readily available, and some folks start building in them, there will be an increase in that thread's traffic, and it will catch-on, but from the initial response there, it's barely luke warm.

It's hard to know for sure, but my gut instinct tells me that too many folks think the price is just too high for a case that has less rad support than the far less expensive switch, and doesn't have the longer than high profile of the original Phantom, which was a part of what made it so popular.

The side panels are probably not doing it any favors either.

I'd love to see NZXT start an in-house custom shop where you can order your P820 with mix n match base colors and plastics, and be able to specify Switch 810 style side panels as an option.

Actually, I have made that suggestion to them. I think it could boost sales significantly.


As for myself, my first Phantom, just about 2 years ago, was a red one which I still have my daily driver build in.

I have rather a special fondness for that styling, and as a personal tribute to it, my next major build is going to be a " Stretched Phantom 820 " made from grafting two 820's together to get that longer than high look, with the plan of getting a 560 in the top, and a 420 in front of the PSU, & painted candy apple red, of course.

Now all I have to do is find some place that has them, (2 white ones) and will ship here Priority Mail, for just the actual cost of shipping.


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It's amazing how I entirely agree with your entire comment.

And I checked the 820's club like an hour after writing that. I think there was like 4 pages. I also learned that it wasn't out yet. But even when it's out I really doubt it will even have as many members as the original Phantom's.

Now I know it'll be dual Phantom 820s and technically you'd have to put them in the Phantom 820 club and not here but I doubt I'll be checking the 820 club on a regular basis and I'd love to see how you're project turns out. So maybe you could keep the original Phantom club updated on it rolleyes.gif ?
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