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Originally Posted by Sam The Overclocker
Dual X1600s would get less performance than a single X1800 or X1900, i believe.
Well The dual X1600 will come close to a x1800 remember you can always OC.

Also your current board doesnt have the Xpress3200 chipset: http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Ha...Reviews/p5wd2/
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Originally Posted by Atlas101
I really appreciate the help. Being that Intel has the more attractive prices, it's why I'm leaning towards building my 1st rig with them as the core.

Options do look limited though. The x1600's in a pair..would that even be fun?
Pause for a moment and let us in on the entire picture. It'll allow us to help you better and possibly offer suggestions that you haven't thought of. You're obviously designing a new build, what is the entire budget and what parts are needed? Also, what is the most important area of performance for you personally. (gaming,multi tasking,editing,etc) I strongly suggest you design the entire machine as a whole entity rather than try to break it down into smaller pieces with an assigned budget for each piece or pieces.
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Pause for a moment and let us in on the entire picture. It'll allow us to help you better and possibly offer suggestions that you haven't thought of. You're obviously designing a new build, what is the entire budget and what parts are needed? Also, what is the most important area of performance for you personally. (gaming,multi tasking,editing,etc) I strongly suggest you design the entire machine as a whole entity rather than try to break it down into smaller pieces with an assigned budget for each piece or pieces.
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Board, chip- Asus P5wd2-premium with PD9series, most likely 930-950 ($250 for board, $250-300 for chip.)

I'm building primarily for gaming and for pure brute as well as multitasking. Im willing to buy good equipment now because in the future, my funds will be delegated to my house, wedding, etc...Im getting older so I can only upgrade once every other year instead of once a year like the good ole days.

Let me know if you need any other info. Im open to criticism.
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Originally Posted by Atlas101
Here's the rig:
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Board, chip- Asus P5wd2-premium with PD9series, most likely 930-950 ($250 for board, $250-300 for chip.)

I'm building primarily for gaming and for pure brute as well as multitasking. Im willing to buy good equipment now because in the future, my funds will be delegated to my house, wedding, etc...Im getting older so I can only upgrade once every other year instead of once a year like the good ole days.

Let me know if you need any other info. Im open to criticism.
Ok, now we can dissect your build and make sure you're getting as much for your dollar as you can. I'll edit and delete this in a bit. Give me a few minutes (this post will be long)
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Ok, now we can dissect your build and make sure you're getting as much for your dollar as you can. I'll edit and delete this in a bit. Give me a few minutes (this post will be long)
Obviously, being on such a forum, I'd like to get high 4's, maybe 5 ghz, out of a dual core processor...I will be doing as much OC as I can.
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I must agree that Intel has some very competitive prices at the moment.
You might as well start with Intel as the core, with the motherboard you are looking at. I then recommend a Pentium D 805. It has reached amazing overclocks on stock cooling, with nice results. 3.9 GHz on stock v-core is not bad at all. It costs only $130. With good cooling, I am sure it will go very far.

If you have not expected to buy a processor this cheap, then you may have more money to spend. If not, no problem. I highly recommend the X1900 CF only. Yes, you cannot start off a CrossFire system, but it leaves you with the option to upgrade later, and the X1900 has more than enough raw horsepower to meet your needs. You can always upgrade to a full CrossFire system later. It will also probably be easier to get a X1900XT later than the CrossFire master card. The total cost for the X1900 CrossFire system is $925. If you were expecting to buy a $450 processor, the 805 and the CrossFire system will do very nicely.

If you do choose to go with a single X1900 CF, please buy the Pentium D 950. It will do much better than the 805, due to the fact that is is 65nm versus 90 nm (lower power consumption, higher overclocks), and it has 2 x 2mb L2 cache, versus 2 x 1mb L2 cache on the 805. It also will do slightly better than the 930 at overclocking, becasue chances are it will have a slightly better core in terms of sheer speed. That is why it is a 3.4 GHz factory part versus a 3.0 GHz part for the 930.
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Obviously, being on such a forum, I'd like to get high 4's, maybe 5 ghz, out of a dual core processor...I will be doing as much OC as I can.
You're looking at about 4.5 ghz on w/c if you're willing to pop the top off (heatspreader). At that speed, I don't feel it's the best choice looking at it from a total build viewpoint. (read below)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103588 cpu $327
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131568 board $224
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814150139 video (quantity X 2) $598 total
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231021 ram $164
Grand total: $1313 (your upper limit was $1400)

Althought I like the new Ati cards because of the ability to run HDR w/AA on, the 2 7900gt are the ideal match for your build. You're obviously willing to OC based on the fact that you have water cooling and those are a diamond in the rough. A slight volt mod and those things are sick. (can be done with window repair kit and removed if ever needed to be for RMA purposes) Also, the Opteron should reach just under 2.8ghz with w/c based on research I've done. Bottomline, I don't think you can outperform that system without dramatically increasing the budget. That's a rediculously nice machine. There aren't any holes in it and will easily last 2 years. Below, I listed a quote that states why I chose AMD. Either company has beefy enough processors to handle anything you can throw at them, but I just feel you need that extra "oompf" for gaming, since the worst feeling in the world is staggering while gaming. Lastly, I'm not loyal to Ati,Intel,Nvidia, or AMD. If however, you want to stick to a particular brand, let me know and I'll respect your decision and offer 1 more option. I do feel that this is the best you can get for your money,though.

"What is more important, we feel, is how often a game runs slowly enough that you can feel it. This methodology is consistent with the one used by a new performance analysis tool in the works at Intel. We picked arbitrary performance thresholds, but these are numbers based on years of game playing experience. We picked frame rates at which you actually notice an impact on how the game feels, not the absolute minimum required to play and enjoy a game. This is where the Athlon 64 really kicks the Pentium 4 in the teeth. Our P4 system spent almost a third of the time, across all games, beneath our target minimum FPS. The Athlon 64 system, on the other hand, spent only 14% of its time there. This is a difference of a whopping 121%" source...http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1854726,00.asp (look at the graphs) While these are older cpus, keep in mind that both are comparable. The AMD only has 512 cache and the Pentium is only 3.2 ghz.
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post #28 of 41
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You're looking at about 4.5 ghz on w/c if you're willing to pop the top off (heatspreader). At that speed, I don't feel it's the best choice looking at it from a total build viewpoint. (read below)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103588 cpu $327
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131568 board $224
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814150139 video (quantity X 2) $598 total
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231021 ram $164
Grand total: $1313 (your upper limit was $1400)

Althought I like the new Ati cards because of the ability to run HDR w/AA on, the 2 7900gt are the ideal match for your build. You're obviously willing to OC based on the fact that you have water cooling and those are a diamond in the rough. A slight volt mod and those things are sick. (can be done with window repair kit and removed if ever needed to be for RMA purposes) Also, the Opteron should reach just under 2.8ghz with w/c based on research I've done. Bottomline, I don't think you can outperform that system without dramatically increasing the budget. That's a rediculously nice machine. There aren't any holes in it and will easily last 2 years. Below, I listed a quote that states why I chose AMD. Either company has beefy enough processors to handle anything you can throw at them, but I just feel you need that extra "oompf" for gaming, since the worst feeling in the world is staggering while gaming. Lastly, I'm not loyal to Ati,Intel,Nvidia, or AMD. If however, you want to stick to a particular brand, let me know and I'll respect your decision and offer 1 more option. I do feel that this is the best you can get for your money,though.

"What is more important, we feel, is how often a game runs slowly enough that you can feel it. This methodology is consistent with the one used by a new performance analysis tool in the works at Intel. We picked arbitrary performance thresholds, but these are numbers based on years of game playing experience. We picked frame rates at which you actually notice an impact on how the game feels, not the absolute minimum required to play and enjoy a game. This is where the Athlon 64 really kicks the Pentium 4 in the teeth. Our P4 system spent almost a third of the time, across all games, beneath our target minimum FPS. The Athlon 64 system, on the other hand, spent only 14% of its time there. This is a difference of a whopping 121%" source...http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1854726,00.asp (look at the graphs) While these are older cpus, keep in mind that both are comparable. The AMD only has 512 cache and the Pentium is only 3.2 ghz.
This does look like an exceptional system. I do however like Abit a little better than Asus...But again, I just want a board thats gonna do the job reliably and has plenty of OC'ing capability. I know in the past Abit has done a prettty good job with those 2 requirements.

I'll need to do some deep thinking here. Im purchasing the ram this weekend and Ill need to know the setup by then...Im not very happy with AMD's low specs...I realize power is not all about Mhz, but an opty at 1.8? Just doesnt seem like that could compete with a 4.5ghz Intel..

I'd have to agree with the video cards..That looks like a nice setup Id definately like to go....I will take this into serious consideration..Sticking with AMD isnt a bad thing..I just like the price cuts Intel has presented...
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This does look like an exceptional system. I do however like Abit a little better than Asus...But again, I just want a board thats gonna do the job reliably and has plenty of OC'ing capability. I know in the past Abit has done a prettty good job with those 2 requirements.

I'll need to do some deep thinking here. Im purchasing the ram this weekend and Ill need to know the setup by then...Im not very happy with AMD's low specs...I realize power is not all about Mhz, but an opty at 1.8? Just doesnt seem like that could compete with a 4.5ghz Intel..

I'd have to agree with the video cards..That looks like a nice setup Id definately like to go....I will take this into serious consideration..Sticking with AMD isnt a bad thing..I just like the price cuts Intel has presented...
That processor is only clocked at 1.8 ghz because of the 9X multiplier. Look around and you'll see 2.8 ghz on air cooling, so I was being accurate in assuming you could do it on w/c. Also, keep in mind that you're trying to compare stock AMD speed versus OC'd Intel speed in your mind. Compare apples to apples and it's 2.8 versus 4.5. I'm sure the benchmarks will be extremely close (2.8 times 1.5 = 4.2), but in gaming, the AMD will still offer better performance because of AMD3DNow. Whatever you decide, good luck to you and I hope you're happy with it.
Btw, don't buy Abit for AMD. That Asus will do over 310 mhz easily.
http://anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2465&p=6

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2589&p=5 8 phase power
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That processor is only clocked at 1.8 ghz because of the 9X multiplier. Look around and you'll see 2.8 ghz on air cooling, so I was being accurate in assuming you could do it on w/c. Also, keep in mind that you're trying to compare stock AMD speed versus OC'd Intel speed in your mind. Compare apples to apples and it's 2.8 versus 4.5. I'm sure the benchmarks will be extremely close (2.8 times 1.5 = 4.2), but in gaming, the AMD will still offer better performance because of AMD3DNow. Whatever you decide, good luck to you and I hope you're happy with it.
Btw, don't buy Abit for AMD. That Asus will do over 310 mhz easily.
http://anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2465&p=6

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2589&p=5 8 phase power
SCCR, what do you think about the 3800 or 4200 x2 series? Is their any particular series that is supposedly better?

Also, why the ddr500? OC capability?
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Turbo V6
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I3570K - 4.4GhZ  Asrock z77 Extreme 4 Nvidia GTX 480's SLI 2x4GB Gskill Sniper 2133 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Mushkin 60GB SSD Chronos + 250GB mirrored Thermaltake Frio + Arctic Silver Win7 64 Bit 2 27" Asus and Planar 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Tt Esports MekaG (Cherry Blacks) Thermaltake Toughpower XT775 Armor Revo Logitech G500 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Q8400 EVGA 750i FTW SLI Evga GTx 260 GSkill 4GB 800 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Seagate Perpendicular 320G, Raid 0 DVDRW Big Typhoon Win7 64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dual 22"s Saitek Thermaltake Tr2550 Armor 
Mouse
G5 
MotherboardGraphicsHard DriveCooling
ASUS P5B-E EVga Seagate Swiftech H20 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
XP 32bit Envision 22" G15 Thermaltake 550W Tr2 
CaseMouseAudio
Thermaltake Armor G5 Soundblaster XFi-XtremeGamer 
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