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Haha, well we've got almost 800 posts in about 8 months. I wouldn't say we're not talkative.

Back on topic: I think my processor may be degrading. When I got it back in December 2010 it could do 4.2GHz with 1.336v load no problem for folding. A few months later and it required 1.344v, then 1.352v. Now it's not stable with 1.352v so I lowered it to 4.1GHz with 1.328v. Could folding be causing this degradation?
Usually the conversations go in bursts, rather than steady.

As for the degradation, I'm pretty certain that i have noticed the same thing. It makes sense to me, all chips will degrade slightly over time regardless. Time + Heat + Power (Voltage+Amperage) will all deteriorate chips to my knowledge, so I expect running at a moderately high temperature while using a large amount of power would cause degradation.

Though my area of expertise is not in the electronics area.
    
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It makes sense to me too, but I'm wondering if and how much the degradation would reduce if I switched to water cooling. Right now my load temps are in the mid 70's to low 80's.
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I think it's just one of those things that happens. I recently had to reduce my over clock from 4.1 to 4.0 (monumentous I know) to lower the voltage to stop getting blue screens. And my chip is only about a year old. And watercooling probably doesn't slow it either. I've had this underwater since I got it.
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Water would slow it a bit by reducing temps, but it doesn't change the usage and power, so it's hard to quantify the advantage, I guess. Both of my PCs are under water, and I have noticed degradation in both, though perhaps that is because I am using around 1.4V.
    
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Water would slow it a bit by reducing temps, but it doesn't change the usage and power, so it's hard to quantify the advantage, I guess. Both of my PCs are under water, and I have noticed degradation in both, though perhaps that is because I am using around 1.4V.
How are your temps on your 920? I'm assuming both 480 and 240 rads are in the same loop dedicated to your CPU?
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How are your temps on your 920? I'm assuming both 480 and 240 rads are in the same loop dedicated to your CPU?
Well, they are, with the Mobo block too, but I'm having a few issues, temps are just under 70c, but the Primochill Myriad D5 pump/res is the worst designed PC part I have ever owned, and due to a number of factors (bad design), I'm unable to properly bleed the loop of air, or run the pump above speed 2 without it sounding like a speedboat taking off next to my head. One day, maybe this weekend, I'll pull it out and try and fix (modify) the stupid thing.

Anyway, I'm folding on my other machine (Xeon W3540 [i7-940]), and I have no idea what temps are on that as I cannot get lm-sensors to work in Ubuntu. Haven't seen any throttling though, so mustn't be too hot. It only has a 240 rad, and Swiftech XT block with a dodgy screw, so its mounted badly, and a crap little pump that cost $40 (EK-DCP 2.2). Though before I re-bled the loop and refilled with cleaner water, it was in the high 70s in Windows with the same volts and higher clock. I should get a better pump, but I wanted a quiet one. Crap thing I got makes just as much or more noise than my D5 at setting 3 1/2 and moves a 1/3 of the water I reckon.
    
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That's a shame your Primochill is poorly designed, though I wouldn't think a combined pump/res would work as well as separate pieces in the first place.

I'm wondering what pump and CPU block I should get for my system. I'm looking for pretty much top-of-the-line. I originally wanted the EK Supreme HF Full Nickel but heard about corrosion issues. Have you had any problems with yours?
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It's only been in there for 2 weeks, so I haven't checked yet. If I get issues, I'll strip the plating and get it redone, but I guess most people wouldn't want the issue in the first place.

The Laing D5 Vario is a great pump (also known as the Swiftech MCP655 and Koolance PMP-450, and probably others) if you get a mod top. The Laing DDC is also good but I have read that it makes a higher whinier noise, but I wouldn't really know.

As for blocks... http://skinneelabs.com/ should have most on there somewhere. He does very well explained comprehensive tests, as well as tests of radiators, TIM and other stuff. I went with the HF because of the low restriction, as I will probably in future have 2 graphics cards and the mobo in the loop too.
    
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Cool, I was already considering the MCP655. Good to know that you recommend it.

As for the block, I'm also looking for one that pleases the eye. That's part of the reason I wanted the HF Nickel so badly. How does it compare to this one:

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=27631

Also, what about this one?

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=25218
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Just make sure you get the adjustable speed MCP655, you lose a little bit of power, but personally I have never noticed more than a 1-2c difference when going from setting 3 to 5, and a fair bit of noise increase, so the extra power was unnecessary, and the quietness was very nice. Skinnee's tests confirm this general idea(second graph).

As for the blocks, I would assume the gold-plated HF to perform pretty much the same as the nickel, the Heatkiller was a really nice block and is still pretty competitive with the newer blocks, only a touch behind. Hard to say, I haven't seen a review where both have been tested in the same way. Skinnee's site shows he is "in progress" testing the Heatkiller 3.0, but I have no idea when that means he'll be done.
    
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