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It's fine now.. WOTLK was garbage
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go play fable you pansy

do you have any lvl 85s that can do lvl85 HCs? if you dont just wait til you do before trying to comment on something you dont know about healing and such is EASY til you hit about the 82-82 level and thats when spell costs double/triple and yet they dont actually improve heal wise
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To be honest I don't see a problem with heroics once everyone learns how to play their class in Cata. I had massive problems with Disc healing in 5 mans, and raids - now it's super easy. It also helps that the people I run the heroics with have changed their gameplay too and can now do good DPS!

By the way, if people keep saying Disc healing sucks they're obviously playing it _totally_ wrong (shielding the tank BEFORE he goes in for instance) or haven't played with a good one.

I can pull about 13k hps in 10 mans and come out of the fight with about 50% mana and cooldowns still to pop.
I have a problem with this post, because what you just said, is the reason why people don't like HC's and what them to change a little.

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It also helps that the people I run the heroics with have changed their gameplay too and can now do good DPS!
What you said there is that A) you dont run with Pugs, so of course your 5man HC group won't be fail. B) You are having to run 5man HC with a set of people constantly because the group will fail otherwise and you dont want to risk it? Yes? Don't lie either, if you say otherwise I'm calling BS.

Point proven.
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To be honest I don't see a problem with heroics once everyone learns how to play their class in Cata. I had massive problems with Disc healing in 5 mans, and raids - now it's super easy. It also helps that the people I run the heroics with have changed their gameplay too and can now do good DPS!

By the way, if people keep saying Disc healing sucks they're obviously playing it _totally_ wrong (shielding the tank BEFORE he goes in for instance) or haven't played with a good one.

I can pull about 13k hps in 10 mans and come out of the fight with about 50% mana and cooldowns still to pop.
im curious as to this part, how much does your shield actually shield the person for? in HCs unless you have a MASSIVE amount of mastery (increases shield absorb) it cant be worth using it at all, hell all the mobs in HCs hit for 10k+ damage with over 1,200mastery and in Disc my shields still dont shield more then 10k damage so they are VERY useless to use.

Sure its only 3,500mana but if you shield more people say you have 3 melee thats about 10,500mana just to shield them from damage that will be broken and still hurt them anyway would think that using 2 x Prayer Of Mending would be better would just about use less mana but would heal more then what the shields would shield against AND would heal the whole party

sure you can shield and renew the tank before battle but that alone uses about 7,500mana the shield will be broken on first attack and renew for me anyway does about 2,000healing per a tick maybe throw a Prayer of Mending thats another 3,300mana so already over 11,000mana would have been used just on the tank and even then its not 100% sure its going to keep him alive, then its to the rest who could be taking damage too much for heal so you have to FH which is another 5,800mana each cast

At the moment i just find using Power Word Shield VERY pointless and a mana draining spell with no benefits, sure you have Barrier as well but that has a 2min cool down but atleast they changed it from absorbing 77k damage to reducing all damage by 30% for the duration (10seconds)

Also the reason why you could be doing well is coz you are in guild runs, not everyone is in a guild some people (like me) like doing a few randoms it gives nice XP for one but at the moment unless you get the P E R F E C T group with enough CC people, good healer, good tank and such then it will A L W A Y S be a fail and thats why some people are complaining you shouldnt be F O R C E D to do guild runs in order to take part in dungeons - if they wanted it like that why not just remove the dungeon finder altogether?
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Seems like everyone got too cushy facerolling the WotLK heroics to me.

You know the risk you are taking when you run with a pug anyway. Even in WotLK, pugs would do stupid **** to get the party wiped even if it was easymode. I healed 5 man heroics a lot, it was hella annoying. -.-
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Yeah, everyone started slacking in Lich King. it was too easy, tanks didnt need to tank too much, no need for CC and healers and it VERY easy, low mana costs and good heals (compared to to Cata VERY high costs + same heals) so healers were able to easily spam highest healing spell with no worry to mana cost or anything

Now tanks need to tank, people need to use CC and healers need to be careful with there mana which makes it alot harder, just going to take time for everyone to get used to the Cata way of dungeons and raids
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Lich King heroics were a joke and no one can say otherwise. I remember trying to do heroics in BC, and unless you were completely raid geared in a guild group, you had trouble (on my server at least lol). In LK I healed as a resto shaman, or should I say my earth shield healed for me. I don't remember using mana other than to renew an earth shield, or throw on a HoT. That was it.

I haven't hit 85 yet, but I can tell right away that the normal instances are even harder than the LK ones. That says enough to me that heroics will be harder and you'll need to pay attention. I love that the heroics aren't easy mode, it gives replay value to the game for me. Sure it's harder to get some gear maybe, but it's not "boring" in a sense you actually can't face-roll to the exit...
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the MAIN problem i think they have is the LACK of them, i mean theres what like 5 or 6 lvl85 dungeons - that is VERY poor it would have been ALOT better to do lvl85 HC versions of ALL the old dungeons instead of just adding what i think 4 or 5 new dungeons and 2 old ones in HC form (Dead Mines and Shadow Fang Keep)
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w00t just soloed Magtheridon. He dropped me a 498 G's
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Killed Cho'gall 10man last night... 2 paladins standing in the end....

1st paladin on the world for dmg done on that fight... For those who know the fight, we were using a variant of the 2 tank 3 healers strat, but we always found that our dps came a bit short of transitioning to p2 before the 4th set of adds was released....

Did 11.139k dps on the boss, we transitioned with 4 seconds left on the timer for the 4th set of adds, the adherent despawned going into p2, and we barely scraped the kill with me as the MT and my retri, barely cutting it (I had 9.7k hp in the end, and the boss died)
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