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This is going to be cracked lickity split. I know it
Indeed it has.
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The event's that have been happening over the past couple months have been slowly nudging people towards Linux. I've noticed more and more people on the forum and outside of the forum, looking at using linux instead of windows.

Why?

Microsoft is starting to take the biscuit, all this piracy stuff isn't only a nuisence for pirates, but for Legitimate users too. Vista too, take a look at the specs, rediculous, a new monitor to watch HD content?! *** is that all about?! Not to mention, XP has been around for, 5 years (is it?) and the prices for their OS is still stupid. Linux, its free, its fast, and it wont annoy you with 'WARNING: YOU STEAL OUR SOFTWARE!', even though you have bought an official copy.

Linux has already began to dominate the Enterprise environment, Ubuntu is on 7\\10 linux computer, and it looks like it will start to replace Windows soon.

Microsoft really need to think hard about their next move. Alot of people are getting irritated at this Super Corp. I am, for one.
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Equally, charging a highly-inflated price for a product because there is no real choice for consumers but to buy your product is also unfair, although not criminal it would seem.

Sadly, what is unfair and what is illegal, are not always the same thing.
What you feel is highly-inflated might well not be taking into account the time and work necessary to create an OS. How long has M$ been paying for the creation (and that is the definitive word here!) of Vista? It will cost how much? I am willing to spend a few hundred dollars for an OS that I use every day and am fairly pleased with considering how little time $250.00 takes me to earn.

As with a television, you are in control of what you decide to purchase. Yes, you could decide to pirate your television stations or purchase a satellite connection and be relegated to less than you would have if you had become a thief.

The choice is yours. A leopard spots do not become stripes as much as the leopard may argue that they are and a thief is still a thief. The choice to steal is a choice and whether one agrees with the product and method of product sale is inconsequential to theft.

It is one thing to disagree with a method and another thing to translate that disagreement to a rationale in theft.

Edit: Please excuse me if I seem rather harsh here. I work with Software Engineers, have a grounding is Software Diagnostics and Modular Subsystems and see just how hard programmers work, not only in the creation aspect but the more demanding debugging model.

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In healthy capitalist markets, monopolies should not exist and in many counties (like the UK) there are laws to prevent monopolies from coming into existence, simply because they are damaging to markets and potentially to the economy as a whole.
I agree.

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post #34 of 53
I personally deplore piracy. Piracy tends to drive prices ever higher. When I had to purchase another XP license because I had already reactivated like 20 times I just bit the bullet and went out to buy another. We all like free things, but unfortunatly that's not how the business world works. If you're annoyed at the high OS prices and all the anti-piracy you have to deal with, then who you really should be pissed off at is your friend with the unlicensed OS that he downloaded.
Piracy sucks big time, not only to big business but to the little consumer as well.
(goes of to download songs from Limewire...)
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I don't condemn nor condone piracy. But it is there none-the-less. The problem is anti-piracy measures like this don't stop piracy. They never have and probably never will. It is the same situation with music and DRM. It doesn't end up hurting the pirates (ie, usually minimal hassle to break any protections) but it creates more hassle for the average user, regardless of the legitimacy of their software.

The biggest problem is microsoft IS a monopoly. Yes, Apple is making moves in the home market, but Microsoft still owns the business side and thats where they make all their money. This allows them to charge practically anything they want for software that should be considered mediocre, at best. I'm not saying their workers are terrible programmers or people, but since there is no competition for them, there is no competitive drive to make better and better software.

Personally, I think $200 is the price of 2 OSes. But Microsoft doesn't offer a choice. Their "Upgrade" discs that you get for ~$100 tend to be buggy at best, at least from my experience (and I have done more than 1, unfortunately). At $200, I should get an OS, firewall, antivirus, and Office, and better security. That might make it worth the price tag.

In conclusion, I DO have a non-legitimate copy of WinXP on my PC. My family has purchased 2 other PCs that do have legit copies and I have a legit copy off Win2k, so I feel that my actions fall under 'fair use' (whether they legally do or not). My family has owned every non-server version of windows from 3.1 and on. Most have been legitimate,usually at least one of each version, but a few have not. I personally only use Windows for gaming, everything else is done under Linux, and I do not feel that $200 is the price to pay for the ability to play games that I also have to purchase.

Sorry the long post...sometimes I go a little crazy.
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What you feel is highly-inflated might well not be taking into account the time and work necessary to create an OS. How long has M$ been paying for the creation (and that is the definitive word here!) of Vista? It will cost how much? I am willing to spend a few hundred dollars for an OS that I use every day and am fairly pleased with considering how little time $250.00 takes me to earn.

As with a television, you are in control of what you decide to purchase. Yes, you could decide to pirate your television stations or purchase a satellite connection and be relegated to less than you would have if you had become a thief.

The choice is yours. A leopard spots do not become stripes as much as the leopard may argue that they are and a thief is still a thief. The choice to steal is a choice and whether one agrees with the product and method of product sale is inconsequential to theft.

It is one thing to disagree with a method and another thing to translate that disagreement to a rationale in theft.

R
Although I agree with you in principle, I can think of several circumstances where theft could be considered morally acceptable, although still illegal of course, although those examples do not extend to software piracy .

It just appears to me that law doesn't seem to be based as much on morality and fairness as it could be and that this can lead to the exploitation and suffering of decent people. But still, that is entirely off-topic, so I'll stop there...

Yes, in general there is no justification for theft and only in extreme cases could it be considered morally acceptable. Software piracy is not one of those extreme cases though, of course.

I do appreciate your point about time being pecuniarily valuable to MS as much as it is to you or I, but although I understand it takes time (and money) to develop an OS like Windows, if you look at MS's massive profit margins (literally in the billions of dollars per quarter) you can see that MS's employees are being suitably remunerated for their time and that MS could, if it chose, reduce the cost of its mainstream OS by a fair amount without anybody's valuable time being less financially rewarded.

I've said it in the past and I stick by it; If MS had one or two major competitors to break its monopoly, its prices would be lower and its products better, as real competition would force it to act competitively.

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I've said it in the past and I stick by it; If MS had one or two major competitors to break its monopoly, its prices would be lower and its products better, as real competition would force it to act competitively.
Indeed. Capitalism is actually an experiment in progress. Unlike many other political models there has yet to be a fulfillment of the Capitalistic cycle from beginning to end.

This leads me to extrapolate that the Capitalistic view in which growth must be continuous and increasing in the model is leading to self-perpetuating doom. Increasing and unregulated growth in medicine is called a "Cancer". Cancer in and of itself is cannibalistic and ends in the death of the organism that is being cannibalized.

The extrapolation is simple. A Capitalistic society will by its very nature engulf the smaller organisms (smaller businesses, groups of any form, etc) until there are only vast organisms left at which time they will begin the fight to engulf each other leading to the death of the organism.

I am certain you see the analogy.

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Although I agree with you in principle, I can think of several circumstances where theft could be considered morally acceptable, although still illegal of course, although those examples do not extend to software piracy .

It just appears to me that law doesn't seem to be based as much on morality and fairness as it could be and that this can lead to the exploitation and suffering of decent people. But still, that is entirely off-topic, so I'll stop there...

Yes, in general there is no justification for theft and only in extreme cases could it be considered morally acceptable. Software piracy is not one of those extreme cases though, of course.

I do appreciate your point about time being pecuniarily valuable to MS as much as it is to you or I, but although I understand it takes time (and money) to develop an OS like Windows, if you look at MS's massive profit margins (literally in the billions of dollars per quarter) you can see that MS's employees are being suitably remunerated for their time and that MS could, if it chose, reduce the cost of its mainstream OS by a fair amount without anybody's valuable time being less financially rewarded.

I've said it in the past and I stick by it; If MS had one or two major competitors to break its monopoly, its prices would be lower and its products better, as real competition would force it to act competitively.

Highly-Annoyed
One competitor will be enough to give MS some competition. Unfortunately, MS won't have a hard time crushing any single opposition due to its vast resources. I doubt that there are many that will want to trade blows with MS without some help.
In the name of free market, come this summer I will learn how to use Linux.
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Originally Posted by Melcar
One competitor will be enough to give MS some competition. Unfortunately, MS won't have a hard time crushing any single opposition due to its vast resources. I doubt that there are many that will want to trade blows with MS without some help.
In the name of free market, come this summer I will learn how to use Linux.
As with all markets, theyre will be at least one company who has a strong hold.

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heh, im not a great fan of linux but ms moves are pushing me closer and closer to look for another os

i do like the linux penguin, that cool
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