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You sure get butthurt over your 580s don't you? Seems like you start s**t with quite a few people over the most moronic things I've ever seen. I've proven the 8k 3dmark11 P score was legit with a single 6970, I feel no need to spend hours overclocking and setting up hardware just to prove you wrong. I could careless what you think. However, my point was that 6970s in crossfire can be OC'd to match or beat 580s in SLI.

Yeah, a point you still seem to be unable to prove so, yeah. I'm not the one that barged into this thread and made a ridiculous troll statement then failed to back it up with any proof. I also find it amusing it took you over a day to finally respond with what you call a legitimate screenshot. Had to work on that PS did ya....
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How is my score? Average, below average? I know my hardware is not as hardcore as other posted here, but i like a honest opinon thumb.gif
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How is my score? Average, below average? I know my hardware is not as hardcore as other posted here, but i like a honest opinon thumb.gif

It's kinda low for a GTX 580, I get 7049 with a GTX 570 so this is not normal. frown.gif
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It's kinda low for a GTX 580, I get 7049 with a GTX 570 so this is not normal. frown.gif

wow, thats very sad! my 580 is stock at the moment, Did you OC the 570?
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How is my score? Average, below average? I know my hardware is not as hardcore as other posted here, but i like a honest opinon thumb.gif

That's a normal score for a 100% stock 580
Of course an OC'd 570 can get 7k but a 580 can also reach 8k. A stock 570 is around 6-6.2k. It's slightly low for a stock 580, but not by much. It's fairly easy to tell by the chart at the end of the 3dmark comparison to tell if your score is normal or not smile.gif
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wow, thats very sad! my 580 is stock at the moment, Did you OC the 570?

Of course he did, lol. There's no way he's getting 7k+ with a 570 @ stock tongue.gif
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That's a normal score for a 100% stock 580
Of course an OC'd 570 can get 7k but a 580 can also reach 8k. A stock 570 is around 6-6.2k. It's slightly low for a stock 580, but not by much. It's fairly easy to tell by the chart at the end of the 3dmark comparison to tell if your score is normal or not smile.gif
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Of course he did, lol. There's no way he's getting 7k+ with a 570 @ stock tongue.gif

thanks for your input!! guess i' better start ocing the 580, why else did i get waterblock. biggrin.gif
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Graphics Score 3192
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/2359247

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Graphics Score 3197
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/2359323

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http://3dmark.com/3dm11/2360794


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Single 6970 Matching your OC'd Single 580 scores. It's not impossible wink.gif

My 580 is a SuperClocked, but it has the reference cooler, fan, back-plate, and flow-plate. I over-clocked it and my over-clock is visible in my system specs. Essentially, you could call this a reference 580 with good quality control. (That's all the SC are.)

I'm on an i5-2500K @ 4.7 GHz (the CPU-Z screenshot was taken after the bench ended so the system is not under load. You can see a loaded screenshot of my Haven benchmark at the bottom of the post if you like, during the same run.


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Test      6970        580           Who's higher      by what margin
GT1      29.03      32.16              580                    10.78% (significant)
GT2      39.13      32.54              6970                   20.25% (significant)
GT3      46.49      45.63              6970                   1.88%  (insignificant)
GT4      24.73      22.43              6970                   10.25% (significant)

         i7-980x    i5-2500k
PT       42.90      27.13          i7-980x  (duh)             58.13% (cpu difference)
CT       31.59      35.99              580                    13.9%  (significant)

I'd like to point out that all of the results and options on my test are visible in the screenshot as are my system specs. Your physics score is significantly higher because you're on a i7-980x where I'm on an i5-2500K. That's not even an apples to apples comparison and someone would have to duplicate my GPU clocks with an i7-980x as their CPU in order to compare apples to apples.

Our cards seem to be trading off. I come out on top in the GT1 and the Combined Test and you come out on top in GT2 and GT4. I'm discounting the Physx Test for obvious reasons. Another important point is that the amounts by which our cards exceed one another in GT1 vs GT4 are comparable. (I believe this is a shader vs texture fill design difference between nvidia and amd). Now GT2 you shine, and I'm not sure what's going on in GT2 that allows you to perform so well. I don't know if it's based on CPU somehow here. However, even with an inferior CPU the 580 comes out on top, by a significant margin, in the Combined Test which includes Physx. I wonder why that is? You'd think that the combined test is where the i7 would kick the i5's rear, assuming video cards are comparable. (And I think the way ours are configured (and tested) are rather closely matched.

Yes, you're at P7983 (on unknown configurations) and yes I'm on P7401 on verified default Performance configurations and your total aggregate score outperforms mine by 7.86% but, we don't know what tests you ran, we don't know what your system specs or your clock are and you're on an i7-980x vs my i5-2500k. Give me an i7-980x to match yours and I guarantee you that my score will be higher than yours in every test but GT2, where your card shines due to the design.

So here's a challenge for you:

Take a screenshot that shows all of the information you see here: CPU-Z for motherboard, memory, and cpu, GPU-Z, your OC tool that shows your current OC settings, and a screenshot of your completed 3DMark11 run.

Since that won't show what your CPU clock is at load, like mine did not, run a Heaven benchmark and get a screenshot under load, like this one using the the exact same parameters that I used. (This verifies my 4.7 GHz OC on the CPU, by the way)

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Not quad fire at all, pal smile.gif. Don't get too excited about your 580s. We are discussing a canned bench after all, and one that weighs tesselation highly. The fact is 580s don't scale as well as 6970s do in GAMES, and it's been proven time after time. Of course ATI and Nvidia are going to focus all attention on scaling in 3dmark. 3Dmark benches should be taken with a grain of salt.

Also, your 3930k could be taken into account for those extra points, but I'll still give you the win on that one

The fact is, that as soon as you enable MSAA all Radeon cards fall flat on their faces. (BF3 anyone?) The Nvidia cards absolutely dominate in any high resolution game with MSAA. GTX cards handle shaders better. Radeon cards handle texture fill better. Games use both technologies. So there's a bit of apples and oranges going on here. That's why benchmarks use tests that stress both areas of the GPU and come up with an indexed final score based on some sort of weighted matrix. (These can skew towards one brand or another, thus the measure of a good benchmark is its neutrality.)

But your Radeons will never equal the performance of GTXs in BF3 in ultra settings. You'll have to disable MSAA or they simply will not work.

I don't think it's a fair statement to say that "580s don't scale as well as 6970s in games" when there are some games that the 6970 smokes the 580 in (like DIRT) and other games where the 580 eats the 6970 for lunch. (BF3 ultra, anyone?) This begs the question on why my inferior CPU and allegedly inferior GPU won out in the "Combined Test" in 3DMark11 which is supposed to be a "gaming" test, combining a bit of everything.

You have to look at overall card performance.

Let's see a Heaven benchmark?
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