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I assume you're moving to win 7 pro then as you're talking about 12GB?
Yes - some logistics with legacy software... but thats the price of progress.

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I'm with moltar, scrap the revodrive if it's problematic with the SR2 and go dual xeon with C300s.
I've been giving this some thought. Not sure just yet which way to go.

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Or wait a little for the 990x to come out as early data shows it a lot cooler than the 980x, and therefore *may* hit 5 on water.
I did see some 'noise' around the net about this - but was not able to locate a release date (other than sometime in Q1-11). Which honestly puts this around the time frame of my build. I would like to have a price to put in the budget proposal ($1,700??), but feel it may be a bit premature to spec an entire system around an unreleased product.

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If you're not doing phase you could save some money (and spend it elsewhere) and get the R3F. For me because I use linux, being able to overclock on the fly using a laptop plugged into the mobo is huge. If you're using the 980x, you don't need the higher bclks that the UD9 can hit.
Being a bit of a nube to the serious OC side of this - how does one 'discover' what the limiter on the blkcs (not sure exactly what this means...) is for a particular chip?

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With HDs/SSDs it's very important to understand how much of your use is write vs read and sequential vs random.
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Also do some benchmarks on your tools with your current computer, find the marginal performance increase for memory speed vs # of cores/threads vs cpu frequency vs HD. That's what really helps you decide where to spend the money.
Ahhh - now we get to the meat of the matter.
I have been trying to monitor my resources throughout the day using the Task Manager, Performance, and a trial version of AIDA64. I downloaded SiSoft Sandra this morning, as well as CPU-Z, HWMonitor, and PC Wizard.
Not sure how to use these fancy tools just yet - but will give them a try.

The basic results I see so far is that SW maxes out my 2nd Core but my fist only runs upto 50% during normal use. When I test render using PhotoWorks, both CPU cores max out.
My max GPU utilization so far has been 37%.
I get alot of 100% spikes with 2-5 second dwell times on my Memory Pages/sec.
My disk utilization during these spikes jumps to 50% for the write Bytes/sec.

Is this the best way to monitor the performance? Should I be looking at something specific?
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I did see some 'noise' around the net about this - but was not able to locate a release date (other than sometime in Q1-11). Which honestly puts this around the time frame of my build. I would like to have a price to put in the budget proposal ($1,700??), but feel it may be a bit premature to spec an entire system around an unreleased product.
I would have thought the 990x would come in at the same price point of the 980x ($999), and that the 980x would drop $100. Also there are various members on here with beta 990x's so I would have thought they'd come out in january, not quite sure what took intel so long to make such a minor upgrade.

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Being a bit of a nube to the serious OC side of this - how does one 'discover' what the limiter on the blkcs (not sure exactly what this means...) is for a particular chip?
The bclk is usually limited by the motherboard, the rampage 3's seem to stop around 220MHz, the UD9 can usually hit 230MHz. This is more important when you're running say a 920 with a fixed multiplier. Your cpu frequency is bclk*multiplier. A 920 would have to run a blck of 215 to get to 4.5GHz, meaning that you'd want to choose the UD9 to have some margin. For the 980x you could run any of 196*23, 180*25, 150*30, 133*34. Most people seem to prefer high bclks, though I haven't seen any proof that for the same memory speed and same processor speed that a higher blck is faster. Being able to set the bclk independently of processor speed means you can fine tune your memory speed which is nice.


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Ahhh - now we get to the meat of the matter.
I have been trying to monitor my resources throughout the day using the Task Manager, Performance, and a trial version of AIDA64. I downloaded SiSoft Sandra this morning, as well as CPU-Z, HWMonitor, and PC Wizard.
Not sure how to use these fancy tools just yet - but will give them a try.

The basic results I see so far is that SW maxes out my 2nd Core but my fist only runs upto 50% during normal use. When I test render using PhotoWorks, both CPU cores max out.
My max GPU utilization so far has been 37%.
I get alot of 100% spikes with 2-5 second dwell times on my Memory Pages/sec.
My disk utilization during these spikes jumps to 50% for the write Bytes/sec.

Is this the best way to monitor the performance? Should I be looking at something specific?
For # of cores: decide which program takes up the most of your time, google it for any multi core results on the tools you see, check any forums, call tech support etc. However bear in mind sometimes all you get is marketing hype. For example, my tools promise linearly increasing gains with number of cpu cores. In practice I get a big jump from 1-2, and increases up to 6 and then it stops.

For memory speed, choose a relevant benchmark, for me I have a 30 minute test I can run that I run fairly frequently and is a good indicator of speed. I can do things like alter memory speed and re run, or disable hyperthreading and re run, disable cores etc.

For HD's because you are currently memory limited and using swap then the HD will make the biggest difference, once you have memory this effect will diminish. If you have an ssd you can borrow though, plug it in and try various things, try using it as a swab drive, try using it as the data drive for working files, re run your benchmark and see.

For me I find memory speed makes no difference on 1 test, 5% on the other
Regular HD vs Raid 0 SSD makes 5% difference
Biggest effect is # of cores up to 6, then processor speed
But my tools are very different to yours.
     
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Also you mentioned you were going to get 3x4GB sticks, you may want to get 6x2GB sticks as the 2GB sticks are faster, but of course you lose the easy option of upgrading to 24GB if you need it.
     
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I would have thought the 990x would come in at the same price point of the 980x ($999),
Oops - I was thinking of the next Xeon chip x5690

Thanks for the other details - helps alot!
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