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Yeah, i know, "realistic" is the reply that the RLO dev is giving, but when i tried it, it was too dark even in places like shops (how realistic is to go to a shop and you can barely see the shop owner? I don't know many such shops) plus, it was giving a very annoying reddish light tint. Which of course he says is realistic, but i don't care, it just didn't look right. The problem with "realism", is this. The devs didn't make the game, with taking into account that someone later would remove the light and make it only come from "real" sources. This is how you end up with a shop keeper that looks like a thief ready to crawl into the shadows. Ideally, if you want to do that, you must all ADD some lights. Otherwise, it's just plain ridiculous to walk into a shop or an inn and have the owner standing in the shadows.

Relighting Skyrim is supposed to have edited every interior light source in the game, reposition the "light bulbs" to the right place and making so that the light comes from bulbs, instead of nowhere. It has some self-explanatory photos in the website. But some dungeons are much brighter compared to "hazardous", because there are many candles and such.

ELFX should be better, because it says it does more things (some FX seem realtime), but i fear it will also be heavier. I 've read contraddictory reports on that. Frankly, i run at 60 fps, so i could try it, but i am afraid to install it mid game, because i 've arlready restarted too many times, after destroying my saves through installing/uninstalling mods. In my next run, i will probably try it, with new savegame. I also don't like the fact that has compatibility issues/patches with several mods. Religthing Skyrim is much more "fire and forget".

Anyway, it took me months to arrive to a combination of mods that i know that are stable and not conflicting and i may as well go for my first full playthrough. Thanks for all the help though. At the end, if i visit all dungeons and see my gameplay is affected by the less darkness, i may go back to CoT with hazardous + Relighting, it's not the end of the world. But Purity's weather seems already more immersive than CoT.

How realistic? Depends on what other mods and settings you run. It shouldnt be too dark, load order can also affect that.

Also reddish light tint is an indication your load order is fekd and it seems you used CoT Interior: warmer.

http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/897877-load-order-and-you/
Edited by hamzta09 - 9/24/15 at 3:16am
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How realistic? Depends on what other mods and settings you run. It shouldnt be too dark, load order can also affect that.

Also reddish light tint is an indication your load order is fekd and it seems you used CoT Interior: warmer.

http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/897877-load-order-and-you/

I 've never installed CoT Warm interior, i always leave it vanilla, exactly because i don't like the overly orangish/reddish light. It's a known issue with RLO:

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/articles/936/?

^ Dev says it's "realism" or poor calibrated monitor (trust me, my monitor is as good you can calibrate it, without using machine. I go through multiple colour and B&W charts).

Thanks for the load order thing, but i really try to keep mods to a one mod per thing (hazardous + Relighting being the exception). I only run multiple texture mods, since they just overwrite each other. With Loot and common sense, i actually now know what texture will load for last. Took my months to learn Skyrim's mod mechanics, but i finally got that part. I even use Mod Organizer and running everything from there now (before, i had some troubles with FNIS, some mods with no proper packing etc).

Another thing with the "uberrealism" of RLO, is that interiors were overly depressing. Like an inn that is too dark. Even Lakeview manor had a depressing tone in it. I mean, who cares about realism. Either emit more light or add more lights. It's not realistic to "go home" and feel that your house is too dark.
Edited by Undervolter - 9/24/15 at 4:47am
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It clearly says on your own link

"RLO is too Orange or Red!! Ugly and overuse of this color!

As of 4.0.7 this should be a thing of the past."


An interior with nothing but a few candles and some windows isnt going to be very bright though.


What RLO/ELFX does is: Every single light/candle etc casts a light, unlike vanilla game. And removes stupid constant-ambient-super-bright-lighting where it doesnt belong. These lightsouces also cast shadows which is why, unless you installed it incorrectly, that vendor was dark.
Edited by hamzta09 - 9/24/15 at 4:57am
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It clearly says on your own link

"RLO is too Orange or Red!! Ugly and overuse of this color!

As of 4.0.7 this should be a thing of the past."

Maybe, but i have only tried 4.0.8 and it was still too orangish for me. I prefer the vanilla colour, which is probably why i like RLS. Also RLO was too depressing inside shops and houses for my taste.
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An interior with nothing but a few candles and some windows isnt going to be very bright though.


What RLO/ELFX does is: Every single light/candle etc casts a light, unlike vanilla game. And removes stupid constant-ambient-super-bright-lighting where it doesnt belong. These lightsouces also cast shadows which is why, unless you installed it incorrectly, that vendor was dark.

Yeah, but not all mods use the same brightness coming out of the light source. This is why i disliked RLO. I remember the inn in Falkreath being especially depressing.

See videos here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeWHUy2osQ8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lF4r8zMx0w

*** is this? Also note how the fire is red-orangish.



^ To be honest, i 've never seen something so dark (this guy may in deed have monitor calibration problem), but i only kept RLO for like 10 minutes before getting disgusted. But i am not surprised... Relighting skyrim, i like because it keeps the yellow-whitish colour in the flames (which in the vanilla game) and it doesn't make things too dark. But there are cases in dungeons were you 'd like darker. On the other hand, seeing how dark some dungeons are in EFLX, i 'd rather stay with RLS. I don't want to rely on torches. Either i will keep RLS or go back to hazardous + RLS.
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Maybe, but i have only tried 4.0.8 and it was still too orangish for me. I prefer the vanilla colour, which is probably why i like RLS. Also RLO was too depressing inside shops and houses for my taste.
Yeah, but not all mods use the same brightness coming out of the light source. This is why i disliked RLO. I remember the inn in Falkreath being especially depressing.

See videos here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeWHUy2osQ8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lF4r8zMx0w

*** is this? Also note how the fire is red-orangish.



^ To be honest, i 've never seen something so dark (this guy may in deed have monitor calibration problem), but i only kept RLO for like 10 minutes before getting disgusted. But i am not surprised... Relighting skyrim, i like because it keeps the yellow-whitish colour in the flames (which in the vanilla game) and it doesn't make things too dark. But there are cases in dungeons were you 'd like darker. On the other hand, seeing how dark some dungeons are in EFLX, i 'd rather stay with RLS. I don't want to rely on torches. Either i will keep RLS or go back to hazardous + RLS.
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You havent installed it correctly lmao

Theres no light at all in that image. Thus you have done something completely wrong.

And on the videos linked, on my U2412M the ELFX is more red on the fires than RLO.

Before dissing mods, maybe you should research "how to mod" before calling them bad.

It should be closer to this:

WiWcWZpl.jpg
Edited by hamzta09 - 9/24/15 at 10:12am
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You havent installed it correctly lmao

Theres no light at all in that image. Thus you have done something completely wrong.

And on the videos linked, on my U2412M the ELFX is more red on the fires than RLO.

Before dissing mods, maybe you should research "how to mod" before calling them bad.

It should be closer to this:

WiWcWZpl.jpg

Yeah I didn't wanna say anything, but RLO actually provides the center fire in inn's as a lightsource that produces shadows, not sure what happened there with the previous poster.
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You havent installed it correctly lmao

Theres no light at all in that image. Thus you have done something completely wrong.

And on the videos linked, on my U2412M the ELFX is more red on the fires than RLO.

Before dissing mods, maybe you should research "how to mod" before calling them bad.

It should be closer to this:

WiWcWZpl.jpg


The pic i posted isn't mine. I just took a screenshot from that youtube video... Either his video is bad or my flash browser plugin needs updating...

The pic you posted is what i call depressing and more or less what i remember when i tried RLO. If the shop owner is at the other end of the room (which i think he should be, then it's definitely not right for "realism").

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Yeah I didn't wanna say anything, but RLO actually provides the center fire in inn's as a lightsource that produces shadows, not sure what happened there with the previous poster.

The lightsource's lighting may be realistic, but IMHO, it just isn't realistic to have the inn's bar hidden in the shadows. No innkeeper would do that. This is what i mean, when i said that the Bethesda devs, hadn't made the game accounting for people going later and removing all sources except the real ones. This is more like an outlaws den, than an inn. In any inn, the innkeeper wants his bar to be visible. By the looks of it, that's Falkreath's inn. More than an inn, looks like a Draugr tumb with that lighting. Would you REALLY want to go and eat in there? tongue.gif

Here's the same inn with Religthing Skyrim (this is my pic alright):



^ Not enough "realistic"? Too "vanilla like"? It sure does look like more like a place you 'd be willing to go and eat though and you can actually see that there is the innkeeper over there!

RLO: "Is anybody here? Is there a Draugr here?"
RLS: "Waitress! Over here please, i am hungry!"

In RLO, even the poor bard is lost in the shadows. I guess it's "predecessor to the hi-fi stereo": "Yes, we have a bard singing, but you don't see him. Before graduating the Bard's college, he finished the Thieves guild in Riften. So he kinda likes playing in shadows". tongue.gif


EDIT: OK, here's RLO on mine:




^ It's brighter than the picture posted above by hmazta, but still, too depressing for an inn for my taste. The tables at 90 angle to left and right, are in complete shadow. I guess they are reserve for vampires customers. But at least now you can see there is an innkeeper and a bard. I guess it's improvements of the last version... But still too dark for me. Inns are supposed to be happy, to encourage people to eat and drink. Who wants to drink in a depressing enviroment?


Here's another. Looking at the alchemy table inside the inn:

1) RLS. I see no reason why your Dragonborn wouldn't enjoy his meal and drink here!




2) RLO. I see no reason why a Draugr or a necrophile Dragonborn wouldn't enjoy his meal and drink here! tongue.gif




Modders that strive for realism, often go overboard, because they forget, that the game wasn't made with their mod in mind. Yes, i guess it's more "realistic", but do i want to play like that? Hell no!

Hint to Valga Vinicia: Solaf sells goat horns just across the street!!! Buy some more and put some light in your inn, if you want to sell more! Dark inn is bad for business! Draugrs eat in their own dungeons!
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2) RLO. I see no reason why a Draugr or a necrophile Dragonborn wouldn't enjoy his meal and drink here! tongue.gif




Modders that strive for realism, often go overboard, because they forget, that the game wasn't made with their mod in mind. Yes, i guess it's more "realistic", but do i want to play like that? Hell no!

Hint to Valga Vinicia: Solaf sells goat horns just across the street!!! Buy some more and put some light in your inn, if you want to sell more! Dark inn is bad for business! Draugrs eat in their own dungeons!

It is rather obvious on the last screenshot something is wonky with your install of RLO or conflicting mods (or remains of other mods)

My RLO didnt look like that at all, Inns and interiors were proper lit, realisticly.

Those candles dont even cast light in that image. Indicating something is wrong.
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It is rather obvious on the last screenshot something is wonky with your install of RLO or conflicting mods (or remains of other mods)

My RLO didnt look like that at all, Inns and interiors were proper lit, realisticly.

Those candles dont even cast light in that image. Indicating something is wrong.

I installed RLO as last and didn't use LOOT, so it remained last mod to load in the load order. The same i did with the previous picture, when i wrote that if you turn to 90 deg angle to left and right, the tables are in shadows. This is what i meant. I don't see how i installed it wrong. It comes with NMM installer and i just chose the complete package. I guess it's realistic, because in all screenshots, it's 01:00 (night). So to be "realistic", the windows don't give any light. I also removed from the load order Relighting skyrim (for the history).

In case you suspect that i had saved inside the inn with RLS and then loaded RLO, no. I was in all cases in a completely different part of Skyrim, fast travelled to Falkreath, entered the inn and this is how i took all pictures. I would suspect that Purity could make a difference, but Purity clearly says that doesn't affect interiors at all.

Maybe you have used previous version?
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I installed RLO as last and didn't use LOOT, so it remained last mod to load in the load order. The same i did with the previous picture, when i wrote that if you turn to 90 deg angle to left and right, the tables are in shadows. This is what i meant. I don't see how i installed it wrong. It comes with NMM installer and i just chose the complete package. I guess it's realistic, because in all screenshots, it's 01:00 (night). So to be "realistic", the windows don't give any light. I also removed from the load order Relighting skyrim (for the history).

In case you suspect that i had saved inside the inn with RLS and then loaded RLO, no. I was in all cases in a completely different part of Skyrim, fast travelled to Falkreath, entered the inn and this is how i took all pictures. I would suspect that Purity could make a difference, but Purity clearly says that doesn't affect interiors at all.

Maybe you have used previous version?

See, you're what the creator of RLO writes about.

The typical "NMM one click install" user that wonders why the mod doesnt run as it should.

Its obvious you've no clue what you're doin and the mod is not properly installed, as the candles dont emit any light at all in that screenshot.
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