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What mods exactly are you using to get this look ?

I posted these like a page back, enjoy.
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I always thought of a "game engine" as nothing but the play mechancis. The graphics are more the skin over it.

I'll give an example: WoW, at least in it's earlier incarnations (haven't played in years) seemed derived directly from EQ: the way it seemed to act when put into first person mode, the money system of coper/nickel/gold, inserting a hyper-link-like thing into the chat channel to different loot you get, changing chat channels, the inventory system, the way the camera moves...the "engine" in other words is from EQ while all the graphical resources, maps, quests, mobs, loading screens were replaced...if that made sense? I think Rambo and Zelda 2 for NES was the same thing...a re-skin of the same game/then modified...anway...

So the two of you may be talking about two different things: the "graphics" engine-what the engine is capable of graphically i guess...and the "play mechanics engine" -- bethesda just kept developing the same engine from Morrowind the last ~10 years, using it in oblivion, FO3 and now Skyrim. Make sense to me as it must have been incredibly expensive to develop so why re-invent the wheel with every big release?

By the way this is just an observation on my part. I have no opinion in the argument one way or another thumb.gif
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(Morrowind can potentially look better than Skyrim fully modded, same engine btw)


Trolllololllelrlerlellololl?

Completely different engine bud. Skyrim uses an in-house engine that they made themselves I believe....
 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NX-MvnYUEs This is what my morrowind looks like and as far as I know the best looking morrowind visual project, Morrowind 2011. It looks great but obviously not better than Skyrim
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I always thought of a "game engine" as nothing but the play mechancis. The graphics are more the skin over it.
I'll give an example: WoW, at least in it's earlier incarnations (haven't played in years) seemed derived directly from EQ: the way it seemed to act when put into first person mode, the money system of coper/nickel/gold, inserting a hyper-link-like thing into the chat channel to different loot you get, changing chat channels, the inventory system, the way the camera moves...the "engine" in other words is from EQ while all the graphical resources, maps, quests, mobs, loading screens were replaced...if that made sense? I think Rambo and Zelda 2 for NES was the same thing...a re-skin of the same game/then modified...anway...
So the two of you may be talking about two different things: the "graphics" engine-what the engine is capable of graphically i guess...and the "play mechanics engine" -- bethesda just kept developing the same engine from morrowing the last ~10 years, using it in oblivion, FO3 and now Skyrim. Make sense to me as it must have been incredibly expensive to develop so why re-invent the wheel with every big release?
By the way this is just an observation on my part. I have no opinion in the argument one way or another thumb.gif

Oh boy...

What you think of as "Game Engine" is actually just called gameplay mechanics. The reason you thought wow felt like EQ is because Blizzard designed the game to be like that, not because of the game engine.

The game engine, or graphics engine as you put it, is what actually runs behind the scenes. Finding the textures to display, and computing the lighting.
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I think Rambo and Zelda 2 for NES was the same thing...a re-skin of the same game/then modified...anway...

Don't even know how to respond to this...
They are two different companies using two different engines. Again though, the gameplay is similar, not even close to making the coding the same though.
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Trolllololllelrlerlellololl?
Completely different engine bud. Skyrim uses an in-house engine that they made themselves I believe....

lol wow, I'm gonna keep having to post this. There really isn't any argument that this isn't still the gamebyro engine.
Way to post a source or provide any support your argument btw...gg
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Yes its the same engine.
They call it the creation engine now, but it is still the gamebyro engine. Behtesda even came out and said in an interview that they only changed a couple things and then changed the name of the engine.
Its pretty obvious that it is still the gamebyro engine since there is still alt-tab bug, doesn't use over 2GB of memory, lighting is still done the exact same way as Morrowind, mods from gamebyro engine still work perfectly in skyrim, even old gamebyro mod tools still work for skyrim.
There isn't really any argument that it is a different engine, anyone who tells you that doesn't know what they are talking about.

Here is the link with some proof as well:
http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/115/1158651p1.html

Tod Howard just comes out and says that they changed a few things and started calling it the creation engine. Though with all the evidence, its still just gamebyro.
Edited by Grief - 11/18/11 at 4:29pm
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(Morrowind can potentially look better than Skyrim fully modded, same engine btw)


Trolllololllelrlerlellololl?

Completely different engine bud. Skyrim uses an in-house engine that they made themselves I believe....

He's right, it is technically the same engine.

There are differences, though. It's not like they got the engine straight from morrowind and slapped it in.

Morrowind and oblivion looked awesome with mods, but I think saying morrowind can look better than skyrim is pushing it a bit.
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Ok so now that I got that Youtube link for Morrowind looking so awesome HOW do I get my Morrowind to look like that?
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He's right, it is technically the same engine.
There are differences, though. It's not like they got the engine straight from morrowind and slapped it in.
Morrowind and oblivion looked awesome with mods, but I think saying morrowind can look better than skyrim is pushing it a bit.

Oh ya, I was definitely exaggerating that point a bit smile.gif

You would think that if it was a new engine, the lighting effects would be encoded differently, but nope. They are still just big blocks of color displayed on screen lol.

I wish this game was PC lead platform with a new DX11 engine, it would be amazing. Their art team is top notch, why the game even looks decent really, the textures are horrible.
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Ok so now that I got that Youtube link for Morrowind looking so awesome HOW do I get my Morrowind to look like that?

lol. You can probably just install Morrowind 2011 if you are lazy.

But there are a ton of mods out there with some huge texture files to make it look that good.
There are obviously some engine tweaks in there as well, to get the water and the lighitng to work that way. You can't argue that the lighting and water reflection in that mod video doesn't look better than skyrim.
Just gonna be crazy to think where we are going to be in a year with Skyrim, especially with all the modders having a headstart with gamebyro knowledge.
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Ok so now that I got that Youtube link for Morrowind looking so awesome HOW do I get my Morrowind to look like that?

Hard to find google it, I did it awhile back. Took me 2 hours to get it working, and there is a video on how to install it properly. Might still have it in my dl folder
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I posted these like a page back, enjoy.

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