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This is Bethesda we are talking about. The quality of their program has always been crappy and it doesn't help that they seem to push the onus of fixing things more towards the consumer and modding community through their traditional lack of action. Bethesda games have always had great stories, but almost every single release have all been buggy as hell. FO3 was probably the worst before Skyrim.

My FO3 experience was on the 360, as was Oblivion. Both seemed to be less buggy than Skyrim. I also don't recall Morrowind being horribly buggy which I had for the Xbox original. No internet connection on the old box, either. Of course, I probably wasn't paying as close attention back the either tongue.gif
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Steam did the patch today and I was pretty nervous loading the game, but ironically enough on my first load a dragon instantly swooped down and attacked me at the mage school lol
phew

on a side note i really hated this chick.
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Your post was totally incomprehensible.
Regardless, none of my cores are maxed out, nor did I ever expect this game to do so. This is simply a matter of poor engine optimization and a not-very-final SLI profile by Nvidia.

It's actually not incomprehensible. The only flaw in his logic is that you're getting the same GPU usage w/one card as you are w/two, even at the same FPS.

If your problem were actually caused entirely by CPU bottleneck (which would perfectly explain why the FPS is the same w/one card or two) the usage on the two cards in SLI should be significantly lower than the usage % on the single card. But they are virtually identical, which *implies* (but doesn't quite 'prove') that the bottleneck lies (at least partly) elsewhere.

Furthermore, the presumption that this is strictly a 'SLI Glitch' is confounded by the observation that your GPU usage % remains lower then 99%, even when you run the game on one card. If the problem were strictly w/SLI, your single card usage would not be so low thumb.gif

I can tell you one other thing for certain: You are far from alone AFA this issue goes!!! Particularly in the larger cities, for pretty much everyone that plays it, the game has a problem with a vexing combination of low FPS AND low GPU usage.

Now, I've done some cursory testing on the phenomenon, and what my tests suggest to me thus far is that whatever is causing this situation, it does NOT exhibit the usual traits seen in EITHER a GPU OR A CPU bottlenecked condition.

Rather, it appears to be caused by either a game/driver glitch, or a 'platform' bottleneck (examples of which are: a system memory bandwidth limitation, or code that is generating an abnormal number of cache misses in your CPU, or even a lack of PCI-Ex bandwidth)

My first suspicion is that there is an excessive amount of texture swapping going on in these scenes, either within the vram itself, or between the vram and system ram. Another possibility is that these scenes for some reason are requiring a huge amount of memory bandwidth ... which is NOT something that is monitored under the 'GPU usage' metric, i.e. if you run out of memory bandwidth on your card, it will cause other parts of your GPU to slow down, and thus cause GPU usage % to fall.

Fortunately, most of the possibilities I've been able to come up with are of 'software' nature, and as such, I expect the necessary patch (either driver or game) to eventually come out to clear up the issue.

This being said, there's no question that in some times/parts of this game, you WILL be CPU-bottlenecked. Check the Tom's article re: Skyrim performance to see proof that the game uses only two cores, and that it is, on average, a relatively CPU-dependent game, even on Ultra at 1080p resolution in a single GTX570 config.

Fact is, you can still be getting CPU BN's no matter what you see in your Task Manager (or any other similar tool) as far CPU usage, because that monitoring system doesn't accurately represent what's actually going on w/your processor itself.

The behavior of the TM when running Skyrim provides a perfect example of what I mean on this point, actually. If you compile all your CPU usage onto one graph, when running a quad, you will never get >50% total cpu usage (except occasional spikes due to other apps), no matter how low you set your gfx settings (i.e. no matter how high your FPS). Furthermore, Tom's review shows there's no benefit to having >2 cores in terms of the games perf, which is more evidence that this is a dual-threaded game.

HOWEVER, if you look at the individual 'core' usage graphs in TM when running Skyrim, it will APPEAR as though all four cores are 'being used' by the game.

Which means that, in essence, the individual 'core' usage graphs in Task Manager are actually lying to you. Well, not really 'lying', but they don't actually tell you ... what you would probably logically assume they are telling you. Those 'core usage' graphs in TM ... they don't really mean a damn thing, and as such should NEVER be used as a means by which to rule out CPU bottlenecking redface.gif

Proper way to test for CPU BN is to increase your chip's clock speed, and compare the % increase in clocks to the % increase in FPS. The closer that ratio is to 1, the more cpu-dependent you are (in that particular spot, in that particular game, at those particular settings/res/etc).
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Steam did the patch today and I was pretty nervous loading the game, but ironically enough on my first load a dragon instantly swooped down and attacked me at the mage school lol
phew
on a side note i really hated this chick.
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Wasn't she that willow wisp mother in that cave who drop the wisp wrappings? She was a PITA to kill. frown.gif
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Wow, Simca ... MAJOR spoiler foul (and noob, WHY YOU QUOTE SPOILER!?!). Your post has been held for moderation. Please don't do that again girlfriend!
    
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Steam did the patch today and I was pretty nervous loading the game, but ironically enough on my first load a dragon instantly swooped down and attacked me at the mage school lol
phew
on a side note i really hated this chick.
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Wasn't she that willow wisp mother in that cave who drop the wisp wrappings? She was a PITA to kill. frown.gif

I hated her too. I found her at shrine near Windhelm. I had no cold resistance or fire magic... would've been nice.rolleyes.gif
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Wasn't she that willow wisp mother in that cave who drop the wisp wrappings? She was a PITA to kill. frown.gif

yes sir you are correct. she is one of the many many bosses in the staff of Mangus (sp?) quest. I had to quit after her and i am about out of pots and the one good run I had killing her she wasted my companion so I had to restart :/
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I hated her too. I found her at shrine near Windhelm. I had no cold resistance or fire magic... would've been nice.rolleyes.gif

I used a decent cold resist pot and it didnt seem to help that much. she had that stupid triple ice spike with aimbot skills and endless mana lol
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Whenever I have done TFC it removed my character from view. Does TM change this?

If you have a shield, it is very easy to kill her. Run up to her and bash her until she staggers or dazes. If you are using a battle mage without a shield, the best way to kill her is to keep ward ready in one hand and lightning in the other. If you are an archer or assassin, there really is no easy way to kill her.
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Wow, Simca ... MAJOR spoiler foul (and noob, WHY YOU QUOTE SPOILER!?!). Your post has been held for moderation. Please don't do that again girlfriend!

My bad frown.gif That was really stupid of me to quote it myself.
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My level 23 WereOrc with Aela

Still working on my smithing/enchanting so my armor isn't really up to par, but I don't have any trouble pwning everything I come across with my Epic Elven Bow and Warhammer. Of course, I can just morph into a Werewolf and 1-shot just about anything as I've gotten pretty good with the running power attack. And if I can't do the werewolf thing, Berserker Rage lets me 2-shot most bosses. If things get really ugly, I summon an Atronach and use the Spectral Assassin power to take some of the attention away from me.

Just updated to the 1.2 patch and installed pretty much all of the top 25 mods from SkyrimNexus... no CTD's or issues so far. Was having horrible framerates yesterday when I was tweaking my INI, but lowering the iShadowMapResolution to 4096 fixed the issue.
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ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!!
I can't fast travel anymore ever since the update 1.2.
This game is getting broken even more. mad.gif
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