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Hey guys,
I started a new save and put my mage save aside for now to try out Stealth melee/archery. I have a steel dagger atm, and I have the 15x dagger dmg when not detected, but I cannot seem to do the animation I see other people do on videos. I hold the button down and it kinda does a huge slash and they fall down and that is it.
Can someone fill me in on this? I am still trying to figure out all the stuff. Also, what is that spell that makes you go invisible?

Are you talking about a backstab or the normal finisher? The backstab is simply a finisher from the back while hidden. Also, holding the button for a charge attack doesn't typically initiate a finisher. Try attacking normally. There are conditions however for a finishing move to be used.

- They cannot be guarding
- Your damage from your attack must exceed their remaining health
- It seems far easier after you stagger them if you are going for a frontal finisher
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Are you talking about a backstab or the normal finisher? The backstab is simply a finisher from the back while hidden. Also, holding the button for a charge attack doesn't typically initiate a finisher. Try attacking normally. There are conditions however for a finishing move to be used.
- They cannot be guarding
- Your damage from your attack must exceed their remaining health
- It seems far easier after you stagger them if you are going for a frontal finisher

oh... Hmm I guess my damage is too for it to surpass their health atm.
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oh... Hmm I guess my damage is too for it to surpass their health atm.

It becomes much easier once you have apparel that enhances either backstab or one handed damage if you are playing stealth. My suggestion if you are going stealth style is to start with archery first to build up sneak while getting easy sneak attacks. Then as soon as you can, get started on the Dark Brotherhood quest.
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It becomes much easier once you have apparel that enhances either backstab or one handed damage if you are playing stealth. My suggestion if you are going stealth style is to start with archery first to build up sneak while getting easy sneak attacks. Then as soon as you can, get started on the Dark Brotherhood quest.

kk thanks, yeah I have been using bows since it is quite easy to get sneak lvls right now. I did some grinding in this one area I found for archery and sneak.

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Could someone shed some help please?

I'm at level 11 or so on my second play through and want to do things differently. Last go around I took the black star. I plan to do so again (not so sure) but is this a good choice? Who's the better follower - erandur or the priestess of azura? My other option for a follower is Aela but I wan to marry her
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kk thanks, yeah I have been using bows since it is quite easy to get sneak lvls right now. I did some grinding in this one area I found for archery and sneak.
Vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCBHyUWYQxU

No offense to that guy, but that is a HORRIBLE way to level sneak and archery. LOL

Let's start with the conditions for gaining experience with Archery:

- You hit a target for damage
- The more damage you do, the more xp you get
- You get bonus xp for kills

Now what we take from this is, it does not have to be an ENEMY that you are attacking. To simultaneously and safely level both Sneak and Archery, you can try stalking forest creatures, such as deers and goats. Bunnies work too. The easy kills will get you good xp. Attacking mobs that aggro back is riskier, especially at lower levels.

Now, let's get to the cheaper way of training Archery:

- You can have Faendal in Riverwood train you in Archery and then pickpocket him afterwards. Make sure to quick save before each "attempt" though
- You can marry Aela from Companions after certain requirements have been met and get training then trade back the gold from her as a follower

As for sneaking, leveling Sneak requires the following conditions:

- Someone is in the room
- The longer you sneak undetected, the more xp you get
- Sneak attacks give you bonus xp
- Sneak finishers give you even more bonus xp

There are a few easy ways to level Sneak through standard gameplay:

- Dungeons and forts raise your sneak naturally assuming you are playing that style correctly
- Sneak attacks build it up a lot quicker, making bows your BFF early game
- Sneak through forests whenever patience allows you
- Do not get a follower until you have 100 Sneak. They will ruin whatever surprise you plan UNLESS they are Dark Brotherhood Initiate, Thieves' Guild member, or a stealth type merc like Jenassa in Drunken Huntsmen Whiterun
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Could someone shed some help please?
I'm at level 11 or so on my second play through and want to do things differently. Last go around I took the black star. I plan to do so again (not so sure) but is this a good choice? Who's the better follower - erandur or the priestess of azura? My other option for a follower is Aela but I wan to marry her

Azura IMHO is a stronger follower than Erandur. As for Aela, you can have both with her. Marry her and then take her as a follower. She is an essential NPC meaning she cannot.
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Could someone shed some help please?
I'm at level 11 or so on my second play through and want to do things differently. Last go around I took the black star. I plan to do so again (not so sure) but is this a good choice? Who's the better follower - erandur or the priestess of azura? My other option for a follower is Aela but I wan to marry her

Azura IMHO is a stronger follower than Erandur. As for Aela, you can have both with her. Marry her and then take her as a follower. She is an essential NPC meaning she cannot.

Thanks smile.gif. So do you think losing the black star is worth gaining the priestess? Or should I just stick with Aela?

And cannot what?
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No offense to that guy, but that is a HORRIBLE way to level sneak and archery. LOL
Let's start with the conditions for gaining experience with Archery:
- You hit a target for damage
- The more damage you do, the more xp you get
- You get bonus xp for kills
Now what we take from this is, it does not have to be an ENEMY that you are attacking. To simultaneously and safely level both Sneak and Archery, you can try stalking forest creatures, such as deers and goats. Bunnies work too. The easy kills will get you good xp. Attacking mobs that aggro back is riskier, especially at lower levels.
Now, let's get to the cheaper way of training Archery:
- You can have Faendal in Riverwood train you in Archery and then pickpocket him afterwards. Make sure to quick save before each "attempt" though
- You can marry Aela from Companions after certain requirements have been met and get training then trade back the gold from her as a follower
As for sneaking, leveling Sneak requires the following conditions:
- Someone is in the room
- The longer you sneak undetected, the more xp you get
- Sneak attacks give you bonus xp
- Sneak finishers give you even more bonus xp
There are a few easy ways to level Sneak through standard gameplay:
- Dungeons and forts raise your sneak naturally assuming you are playing that style correctly
- Sneak attacks build it up a lot quicker, making bows your BFF early game
- Sneak through forests whenever patience allows you
- Do not get a follower until you have 100 Sneak. They will ruin whatever surprise you plan UNLESS they are Dark Brotherhood Initiate, Thieves' Guild member, or a stealth type merc like Jenassa in Drunken Huntsmen Whiterun

That's me in the vid sad-smiley-002.gif, lol but yeah only other source of information I have about the mechanics of the game is my friend. He has a bit more played than me so we exchange tactics here and there.
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Thanks smile.gif. So do you think losing the black star is worth gaining the priestess? Or should I just stick with Aela?
And cannot what?

That depends if you like followers or not. I never really used a follower besides Mercurio, Aela, or Mjoll. I simply got Azura's Star, because I figured it better to please a daedric princess than to piss her off and corrupt her artifact further. Besides, grand souls are easy to find as long as you are careful about fast swapping to soul trap on the right enemies.

EDIT:

I just realized I didn't really address Aranea as a follower. She is a very powerful mage in the conjuration and destruction schools. She can summon all the powerful atronachs and is frost/lightning based, meaning she also damages enemy mana and stamina reserves while slowing them. This reduces your enemies to simple melee attacks meaning casters do crap damage to you. She does not have any restoration spell though, meaning no heal or wards. This leaves her with minimal sustainability, so you have to keep an eye on her and force feed potions if necessary.
Edited by OC'ing Noob - 12/5/11 at 6:40pm
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