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More Video Ram better?
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Well, after an overnight download, Ive installed the DLC. I disabled all my HiRes mods from nexus and had a little walk around Whiterun before work this morning.

I guess I have been spoiled by the Nexus mods and Lifeshield's FXAA settings coz I cant see a jaw dropping difference.

As too how the DLC interacts with my other nexus mods, time will tell. Ive retained Lifeshield's FXAA settings and Im looking forward to exploring Skyrim in a bit more detail tonight, after work.

The Workshop looks great and I plan to replace the nexus mods with the WS ones, as they come online.

Exciting times ahead thumb.gif
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More Video Ram better?

Yep! If you run out, the game uses the RAM which is slower when the GPU needs to process the information and if things get really bad like you run out of RAM for example, its written to the HDD if page file is turned on. After that, the PC will blow up and take the rest of us with it, so yeah, more VRAM the better. biggrin.gif
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Yep! If you run out, the game uses the RAM which is slower when the GPU needs to process the information and if things get really bad like you run out of RAM for example, its written to the HDD if page file is turned on. After that, the PC will blow up and take the rest of us with it, so yeah, more VRAM the better. biggrin.gif

so my 6950 2gb or gtx 570 1.2gb?
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Yeah, I'm working from home today, managed to get all my meetings done and dusted. Really annoy's me when PM's schedule late arvo meetings (your not a Pm are you?!)

So this steam workshop is great if you havent tried it. I check it every few hours and the SKYUI was just added. Basically I have removed NMM mods now and Im going to just use Steam Workshop. Also going to keep hires textures DLC and just overwrite it with mods as they become available, that way my default textures will be better res than the old vanilla before the DLC was released.

Regarding SkyUI:

I was running the SkyUI and SKSE. Everything was roses. Then the Beta patches came out. The SKSE guys quickly posted an update. Then another Beta Patch, followed by another SKSE update. The thing is, SkyUI still says that it isn't happy with the Update or the SKSE update.

Is the Steam Workshop version of SkyUI different than the Nexus version - different as in updated to work with the official Skyrim Patch and the newest SKSE?
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More Video Ram better?

Yep! If you run out, the game uses the RAM which is slower when the GPU needs to process the information and if things get really bad like you run out of RAM for example, its written to the HDD if page file is turned on. After that, the PC will blow up and take the rest of us with it, so yeah, more VRAM the better. biggrin.gif


Yes, more VRAM means more ability to load textures (among other things) into memory and then process them with the GPUs. Right now, most games seem to run beautifully at maximum settings with 1.5 GB of video RAM. However, some games like BF3 are pushing that limit and 3 GB of VRAM can help quite a bit in those situations on ultra high settings.

 

Furthermore, as you increase resolutions (or the number of monitors in a multi-monitor display) you also need more VRAM.

More cards in SLI / Crossfire = faster FPS due to parallel processing of graphics but not more VRAM, as each card has to have the same data loaded into RAM for SLI/Crossfire to work.

Cards with more VRAM on them = more VRAM.

 

So it all comes down to what resolution you game at (how many monitors you have displaying the game), how high the resolutions in your textures are, as well as how the game is optimized.

 

1.5 GB of VRAM is a good place to start.

3.0 GB of VRAM is a good place to be for multi-monitor displays at ultra high resolutions with ultra-high settings and provide for future game scalability. Placing said cards in SLI / Crossfire mode will help keep framerates high as you increase resolutions and settings.

 

Hope that helps!

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I've been running hitchless and (subjectively) smooth on an overclocked PHII X3 and 1GB 5850, so I wouldn't consider a SB processor to even be a recommendation for someone in my situation with my desires. IMO it would be better to discuss the implications of the processor and not jump to the value declaration of it demanding a certain processor. The graphs speak for themselves, but not necessarily of what is required for a certain experience.
I guess I'm trying to say that better doesn't equal required.

Well put, my post was not meant to say that a Sandy Bridge was "required" to play the game or that the game "demanded" it either. But I was speaking along the lines of getting 60 fps everywhere before 1.4 and two performance boosting mods, that a Sandy Bridge was required to get to those levels of frames (keyword here) consistently throughout the entire game. I know very well that smoothness of gameplay is very subjective. No doubt about that and I'm not arguing that your sense of smooth is the same as mine as they aren't. Everyone is different, but subjectively I like my games to be 60 fps because I do notice hitching when panning my camera around noticeably fast.

@Cmoney Read the graphs again, it was "required" to have a SB process to get 60 fps. Did I say that I was required to play the game? No, read my post. Smooth as you've said is subjective. I'm not trying to fight with you at all or try to sound bigheaded. I stated very clearly in my post that this "fact" no longer applies now because of 1.4. Any recent processor has enough power to play the game more than sufficiently at 60 fps now.

As far as the stuttering goes, yes that's a fact of any game made with Gamebyro. With Hi-Res textures most of the time it's the fact that people are either not using an SSD or they don't have sufficient VRAM. Or that their drivers are just screwed up. I stated that I was CPU bound before SB, and now I'm GPU bound. Is everyone else's systems different? Sure. Again just stating my opinion, I guess I'm not allowed to share mine.

It seems just because I talked down on the AMD chip that people have to get that knee-jerk reaction, I don't hate on AMD because I was AMD for the last 6 years. I don't want to fight. Sorry I even commented...

An apology isn't required... I just didn't want people to get the wrong idea that AMD processors are not adequate to run this game smoothly. You can have the best processor on the market, but if you have a video card that is reaching its VRAM limits then you are going to have stuttering problems. My FPS dips as low as 40FPS at times(ultra with lots of HD mods), but as long as I don't stutter I could personally care less.
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An apology isn't required... I just didn't want people to get the wrong idea that AMD processors are not adequate to run this game smoothly. You can have the best processor on the market, but if you have a video card that is reaching its VRAM limits then you are going to have stuttering problems. My FPS dips as low as 40FPS at times(ultra with lots of HD mods), but as long as I don't stutter I could personally care less.


Well said.

 

Anything over 30 FPS (at all times) is absolutely fine in most gaming situations, so long as it is smooth and not jittery. (In First-Person-Shooter or racing games, having > 60 FPS becomes a bit more important to some people.)

 

As for CPU limitations, you're right on the money. If your video card is inadequate, you can have the best CPU known to mankind for gaming and it won't matter. If your VRAM is inadequate, you're placing the load on your RAM and your FSB (or its equivalent) and you're losing the benefits of the PCIe x8 or x16 pipe you have straight to your GPU.

 

As a side note, I can make any CPU limit the FPS of a game. I simply reduce my resolution down to something small, like 720p, load up an older game, run it on low settings with a high-end video card, and watch as the video card thrashes itself to get 450 FPS and the CPU bottlenecks and can't let the video card hit the 600 FPS that it wants to go to. Just because the CPU is limiting my FPS doesn't mean that it's bad.

 

Plenty of AMDs can run Skyrim beautifully. (No bulldozer required.)

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so my 6950 2gb or gtx 570 1.2gb?

570, unless you plan to use High Res Tex mods, which WILL exceed 1.2, therefor the 6950 will give you smoother gameplay overall, even if it yeilds less fps.
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An apology isn't required... I just didn't want people to get the wrong idea that AMD processors are not adequate to run this game smoothly. You can have the best processor on the market, but if you have a video card that is reaching its VRAM limits then you are going to have stuttering problems. My FPS dips as low as 40FPS at times(ultra with lots of HD mods), but as long as I don't stutter I could personally care less.

No harm, no foul mate. Sorry for my rather rash tone in that post, uncalled for smile.gif I loved my Phenom II x4 955. Had it for 2 years and it served me very, very well. Skyrim ran on it very well (I'm sure with 1.4 it would run just as well as my 2600k now). The only reason why I upgraded from it was because I needed 8 threads for the video editing/rendering I've been doing for projects lately.

Plus, I was going to get SLI Keplers in the future and knew that the Phenom was going to hold it back a little bit when it came to getting full use out of my dual-card config.

I wasn't hating on AMD processors at all mate. I still love 'em, Sandy Bridge just happened to be the right price/performance at the time I was looking to upgrade. I spent $350 for both my Mobo+CPU at Microcenter, I couldn't believe the deal haha. Should AMD come out with Piledriver and it do noticeably better in gaming than its latest endeavour (which I waited on instead of getting SB), I may switch back biggrin.gif

I think the single biggest improvement anyone can make to their Skyrim game in reference to stuttering is to get an SSD if they are fine on VRAM and CPU/GPU usage. Once you get those big textures getting streamed from the hard drive, you need something with a low seek time and high bandwidth to get those textures and meshes onto your VRAM as quick as possible to prevent stuttering.
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