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heh- well looks like I'm scrapping the d-box motion platform for any future build as it is very cost prohibitive. I just got off the phone with a representive from d-box in Canada, and he said for a unit that could support up to 750 lbs, the cost is over $12,000. Thats right. Twelve thousand.

He told me the retail on this d-box enabled cockpit enclosure is 30,000. this does not incluse the pc or screen. CRAZY!

That has me a bit depressed because it would be really cool, but not 12k cool-

I was going to buy a d-box platform, but I was guessing around 2-3k. I was hoping to cut out the middle man and buy direct drom the manufacture to save some $$ but its a no-go. The price is outragious. I mean its 4 hydrolic actuators on a metal frame and their control box. Where is the cost justified confused.gif
Edited by bob808 - 2/16/11 at 11:34am
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heh- well looks like I'm scrapping the d-box motion platform for any future build as it is very cost prohibitive. I just got off the phone with a representive from d-box in Canada, and he said for a unit that could support up to 750 lbs, the cost is over $12,000. Thats right. Twelve thousand.

He told me the retail on this d-box enabled cockpit enclosure is 30,000. this does not incluse the pc or screen. CRAZY!

That has me a bit depressed because it would be really cool, but not 12k cool-

I was going to buy a d-box platform, but I was guessing around 2-3k. I was hoping to cut out the middle man and buy direct drom the manufacture to save some $$ but its a no-go. The price is outragious. I mean its 4 hydrolic actuators on a metal frame and their control box. Where is the cost justified
awwww, could you build your own seat and just buy their control box?
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awwww, could you build your own seat and just buy their control box?
12k for the platform (frame, and 4 hydrolic actuators) and control box.

The control box is only $300. they charge like 3k for simple frame, and about 2.5k for each actuator. Nutz
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12k for the platform (frame, and 4 hydrolic actuators) and control box.

The control box is only $300. they charge like 3k for simple frame, and about 2.5k for each actuator. Nutz
will they let you just buy the control box by itself? Or is it one of those setups where they only sell it with the seat and platform.

Oh you ninja'ed me as I hit the quote button. LOL.
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12k for the platform (frame, and 4 hydrolic actuators) and control box.

The control box is only $300. they charge like 3k for simple frame, and about 2.5k for each actuator. Nutz
I'm not sure if it's possible or not but you might be able to build a frame for a Hyper Stimulator or the like & add on the control box & actuators. If anyone could do it... I'm sure it'd be you!

But, the size & structure of a HS cockpit might not be suitable, I'm not too sure... and also 2.5k for each actuator adds up to 10k by itself I'm sure you could pick up a few somewhere on the internet for much cheaper than what Dbox is charging.
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I was pondering the whole motion platform thing today after I returned to work. I understand that the d-box makers have to program codes for movies to work with the motion platform. D-box enabled movies are the same exact thing everytime the movie is played, and the d-box uses the audio stream to sync with the movie. This can not be the same process for games, as games depend on the players input and situations are constantly changing.

For example, even if you are racing the same track on the same game multiple times, collisions can randomly happen, ai will act differently, turns will be taken at different velocities, excetera. Therefore the programmers that make the d-box code for the movies cannot do the same thing for games. The coding must be written into the game software itself. This means that the d-box control box should not be needed for a movement platform that is strictly used for gaming.

Next, I was thinking about the d-box motion platform that can be used with existing furniture, mainly about its design. It looks fairly simple, and by no means looks like a $12,000 piece of equipment. Here's a picture of what I am talking about.

heres a picture of the electro-mechanical actuators and some control box.


I figure I would have no problem making the simple metal frame, but doubt that I would even need to do so. The frame base that I made for this racing machine is plenty stout and if anything, I think I could just put some metal plates in the corners where it would rest on top of the actuators. Either way, I am confident that whether or not I would make a metal frame to hold the base, it wouldn't be a problem, and would not cost $3000 like d-box wants to charge for a custom size frame.

So I wonder to myself, how does the d-box know when to tilt, shake, rattle and roll when gaming? Answer- the same way that the force feedback G27 wheel knows when to do so.

It would definately be possible to tear down a wheel and just splice the wires that goto the motors used for steering resistance and shock/vibration. There are at least 2 motors in the G27. (I'm speculating here as I have not actually taken the wheel housing apart) One motor is used for the wheel resistance, and a separate motor used for rumble/shock/vibration.

I'm thinking that the signal from the resistance could be used for left/right tilting, and the other signal could be used for everything else including bumps in the road and crashes and such.

If I can find some electro-mechanical actuators with a 500lb rating each with about 3/4 - 1" movement (for not too much $$) I will definatly give this theory a try. I cant think of a reason why it wouldn't work. I wouldn't have to do anything fancy as the circuit controller board already lies inside of the G27 housing. The board sends the 'go' signal to the electric motors inside the wheel housing for the FFB and shock/vibe movements, making it 'come to life'. I can just steal this signal by splicing into it and send it to actautors.

It may not be quite as precise as a d-box system (gotta give credit where credit is due- d-box systems are awsome), but if I can just get left/right lean when the wheel is turned, varying the same amount as the resistance of the wheel, along with the bump/vibe/shock effects also... Well I think it could possibly be very effictive without breaking the bank.

Obviously, some more questions need answers, and the actuators will have to be tracked down, money will have to be spent, and testing done. All in all though, I like the prospect of this idea much better than the alternative, being "well looks like I'll never get one of those $12000 gaming accessories" lol

Let me know what you guys think!


Edited by bob808 - 2/17/11 at 7:47pm
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First of all i'd have to congratulate you on completion of this project ( I would have walked away for a month if the paint did that to me). It just screams quality.

/brainstorm

I wonder if there's a way to mount a keyboard inside disguised as a sun visor that when "flipped down" moves down on an arm to rest about the same height as the wheel.

And a "cup holder" on the other side that reveals a mouse/ small mousepad for it to sit on.

/brainstorm

GLWS, hope it finds a good owner.
    
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First of all i'd have to congratulate you on completion of this project ( I would have walked away for a month if the paint did that to me). It just screams quality.

/brainstorm

I wonder if there's a way to mount a keyboard inside disguised as a sun visor that when "flipped down" moves down on an arm to rest about the same height as the wheel.

And a "cup holder" on the other side that reveals a mouse/ small mousepad for it to sit on.

/brainstorm

GLWS, hope it finds a good owner.
Thank you! I will keep your ideas in mind if I am lucky enough to make version 2.
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It's back up for sale on ebay. I'm going to post it on craigslist too.

I'd like to sell this one and make an eyefinity version

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Edited by bob808 - 3/8/11 at 12:23am
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Wow, I this thread is amazing. Thank you for all the hardwork! I was actually pondering how to go about doing something simliar to this (but at a lower, not-as-cool-looking-advanced-as-yours budget, lol). I'll probably be looking in this thread for ideas/instruction sometime in the future

Good luck with the next build, definitely subscribing!
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