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I don't understand the question...

We're being asked to choose between price and performance for you. That to me sounds like a personal choice that only you can make. Obviously the 570 is better, and equally obvious is the price difference. If you're asking us to decide for you whether the extra performance is worth the extra cost, I'd say that's something you need to decide.

The question you need to ask yourself is: Will the 6850 meet my current needs?

If so, get it. The "future proof" argument is dumb. By the time you need a more powerful card, the $50 price gap you see now will be more like $10 then. So sell your current card and get an even better next generation card. It's the most economical and logical way to shop.
i wasn't able to decide for myself, that's why i posted this thread. and i really don't think it's that personal- hearing people's thoughts on whether the extra performance is worth the extra cost is exactly what these forums are all about imo. anyone can go through the benchmarks and prices and see the differences, but opinions from 'savvy' ppl on questions like this are harder to come by.

and no one was talking about 'future proof', i know no such thing exists. but what i do know is that RAM difference might play a role in how long will i be able to use my gpu without compromising (like i've been doing with my 8800). and that question was also answered here.
and i really didn't get your argument about the future price gaps cutting down. for me, the most logical way to shop is to get the best value product you can for your money at that time (hence 570/6950), and then squeeze everything you can out of it for as long as you can. i don't really get why people replace GPUs yearly (i see a lot of upgardes from 5770 xfire to 570, marginal difference, don't get it), but maybe it's me who's missing something.

anyway, thx for the input and for taking the time to write it, appreciated
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But you're looking at the same facts as these "savvy" people. You know as well as they do that the 570 is a better performer and the 6850 is considerably cheaper. The 6850 WILL meet your current needs, and you know it. So it is the logical choice. Why spend more than you need to spend?

This is just another thread on future proofing, and I strongly disagree with the opinion of most OCN users on this. But again, it's an opinion, and I encourage people to form their own, not to go with the popular choice because it's popular. You said it's not about future proofing but everything you say after that contradicts that. You're wondering if the 2GB will be needed in the future. You're wondering if PhysX is something you should consider knowing you only have one game that uses it (so you're wondering about future games).

And you said you don't understand why people buy a new video card every year. The answer is simple, it allows us to always buy mid-range cards (which almost always offer the best bang for the buck) because they meet our needs now. Let's say after 18 months, all video cards in a certain line dropped in price 25%. Well a $200 mid range card is now worth $150 and can be sold for that. Where a high end card costing $400 is now worth $300. Well the person that bought the mid range card for $200 and sold it later (when performance needs increased) for $150 and picked up the high end card for $300 would have netted $350 in spending. He would have had the performance he needed when he needed it. Where the other person bought the high end card from the start and spent $400. Factor in deal shopping and the "savvy" mid-range user who upgrades a lot can really win.
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But you're looking at the same facts as these "savvy" people. You know as well as they do that the 570 is a better performer and the 6850 is considerably cheaper. The 6850 WILL meet your current needs, and you know it. So it is the logical choice. Why spend more than you need to spend?

This is just another thread on future proofing, and I strongly disagree with the opinion of most OCN users on this. But again, it's an opinion, and I encourage people to form their own, not to go with the popular choice because it's popular. You said it's not about future proofing but everything you say after that contradicts that. You're wondering if the 2GB will be needed in the future. You're wondering if PhysX is something you should consider knowing you only have one game that uses it (so you're wondering about future games).

And you said you don't understand why people buy a new video card every year. The answer is simple, it allows us to always buy mid-range cards (which almost always offer the best bang for the buck) because they meet our needs now. Let's say after 18 months, all video cards in a certain line dropped in price 25%. Well a $200 mid range card is now worth $150 and can be sold for that. Where a high end card costing $400 is now worth $300. Well the person that bought the mid range card for $200 and sold it later (when performance needs increased) for $150 and picked up the high end card for $300 would have netted $350 in spending. He would have had the performance he needed when he needed it. Where the other person bought the high end card from the start and spent $400. Factor in deal shopping and the "savvy" mid-range user who upgrades a lot can really win.
I'm always feeling like the OP at least I think.... and now I don't know which card to buy.... 5870, 6950 or go even higher in price and get a 570. From your reasonining if I understood I should get eitehr one of the 2 cards since I know they'll fit my needs and won't loose as much money when I resell them.

I think I made a bad choice going 2x5770s at the time I did since they went in price from like 150 to 100 in just a few months I bought them.

I wouldd suggest the OP the 6950... but if he really wants to compre he should make up his mind between 6950 or 570 since they are pretty much the same price level.
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Or you could get a used vanilla GTX480 (they are everywhere at about $250 to $300) and overclock it with EVGA precision to near specifications of a GTX580 and get about 2 frames close to exactly the same performance. A GTX 480 with a modest overclock of 750 MHz GPU & 1895 MHz memory is very close to the same performance of a stock GTX 580.
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Read over 20 reviews. The 6970 is not quieter then the GTX 570. Been a AMD fan forever, but Nvidia has come back really strong with the GTX 570 and 580.

Was going to upgrade my 6870 to the 6950 or 6970.
I'm now shopping a GTX 570.

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Why comparing HD6950 against GTX570 when HD6970 is competing with GTX570 and both price and performance?

GTX570 and HD6970 are quite equal, GTX570 wins some, HD6970 wins others, however so far HD6970 wins by being quieter, less power usages and generates less heat.

Sure pick the GTX570 of those two, but its like asking GTX570 or GTX470, not in the same price range, not in the same performance range..

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570 > 69xx
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But you're looking at the same facts as these "savvy" people. You know as well as they do that the 570 is a better performer and the 6850 is considerably cheaper. The 6850 WILL meet your current needs, and you know it. So it is the logical choice. Why spend more than you need to spend?

This is just another thread on future proofing, and I strongly disagree with the opinion of most OCN users on this. But again, it's an opinion, and I encourage people to form their own, not to go with the popular choice because it's popular. You said it's not about future proofing but everything you say after that contradicts that. You're wondering if the 2GB will be needed in the future. You're wondering if PhysX is something you should consider knowing you only have one game that uses it (so you're wondering about future games).

And you said you don't understand why people buy a new video card every year. The answer is simple, it allows us to always buy mid-range cards (which almost always offer the best bang for the buck) because they meet our needs now. Let's say after 18 months, all video cards in a certain line dropped in price 25%. Well a $200 mid range card is now worth $150 and can be sold for that. Where a high end card costing $400 is now worth $300. Well the person that bought the mid range card for $200 and sold it later (when performance needs increased) for $150 and picked up the high end card for $300 would have netted $350 in spending. He would have had the performance he needed when he needed it. Where the other person bought the high end card from the start and spent $400. Factor in deal shopping and the "savvy" mid-range user who upgrades a lot can really win.
first of all, i don't know if it's a typo or if you got it confused, but i'm looking at the 6950, not the 6850.. and from the looks of of ppl's opinions here, it's gonna be the 570 anyway.

look, this is NOT just another thread on future proofing, all the questions are valid, and i don't understand why you're so adamantly trying to convince me to not voice my question and hear people's thoughts about them. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FUTURE PROOFING. future proofing would be getting a delorian and jumping a few years into the future and getting a card there. BUT, i have no experience with PhysX, and some people here obviously do, and maybe know about certain upcoming games that i haven't heard about. AND, my GPU experience isn't all that great (8800 is the most cutting edge i've had), so i can read thread/reviews/benchmarks till next year, and still it won't give me an answer to my RAM/PhysX/just plain opinion question.
I don't get why you've quoted my 'savvy' as if i used it sarcastically (or maybe you meant it that way), but i meant it honestly and not in any other way. just for example, someone already posted here about the RAM that prob by the time games will need to use 2GB of RAM, the 6950/70 would be bottlenecked by their other features (clock/shaders/etc.), and that's a valid argument that i didn't think about on my own.

and you have a point about the change rate. and that is EXACTLY why i posted this thread, since there are many ppl here who frequetly change their specs, and so can offer a lot of insights on the matter.
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i cant tell you which one to buy as i am also stuck with this, however i can tell you that the GTX 570 runs quieter, 1 of my friends has a 570 and another a 6970 and when running 3dMark 11 the 570 didnt even spin up, quiet as a mouse, the 6970 did however spin up a little bit, in all fairness i think il just get whichever is cheaper as they are very close in case of performance
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6970 performs slightly better at resolutions most won't be playing at (2560x1440, 2560x1600) and in other situations. It would be a great single Eyefinity card. At those levels, the 2Gb Vram helps, but for most other conditions, I would choose 570 easily.
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6950 vs 570 - pay the extra for the 570 (as long as it's a good deal)
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