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Just curious and was looking for an answer, does increasing you core clock degrade the card? or do you need voltage and bad temps. I am curious because I was playing Crysis earlier at 925 core at the stock voltage with the highest temp being in the 70s... should I continue to do this?
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Curious, when looking at MSI afterburner, I would like to increase the default voltage and yet in the entry field for it, it does not show the base voltage or the total, only what looks like offset voltage (adding but not demonstrating actual totals).

Is there a setting I should be aware of?

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Originally Posted by RCXDerp;15156000 
Just curious and was looking for an answer, does increasing you core clock degrade the card? or do you need voltage and bad temps. I am curious because I was playing Crysis earlier at 925 core at the stock voltage with the highest temp being in the 70s... should I continue to do this?

I use daily 945/1100 1.1volt just fine smile.gif playing Crysis 2 with vsync off cause my card's temp goes to 71-74c.... still nothing to worry about, I guess above 80c is dangerous for daily OC.
Btw playing Dead Island only get 60c wink.gif because I use vsync, if not then fps goes higher 100-185fps and card gets hot.

@Robilar-->Have you tried to open your tripple voltage setting? voltage still doesnt show its stock?? maybe because of beta AB? I have MSI GTX570TFII OC and it shows stock voltage value.
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Originally Posted by Robilar;15156140 
Curious, when looking at MSI afterburner, I would like to increase the default voltage and yet in the entry field for it, it does not show the base voltage or the total, only what looks like offset voltage (adding but not demonstrating actual totals).

Is there a setting I should be aware of?

*snip* this post of mine is gonna be long enough as is tongue.gif *snip*

That is not a problem and your card and software are working as intended. Your card uses the voltage offset method of adjustment, to find out your stock voltage right click on the monitoring window, properties, you will be in the monitoring tab of the settings, scroll down under "active hardware monitoring graphs" and you will see GPU voltage, check the check mark next to that. Your current GPU voltage will now show in the monitoring graph, put the card under some load and the voltage displayed while under load will be your voltage. So let's say you have a voltage of 1.012v stock under load and you wanted a voltage of 1.025 under load, you would move your voltage offset slider up until it displayed +12, those are in mV (and it actually applies in notches of 12.5mV) so that would give you your load voltage of 1.025v and that would be displayed under load. For 1.1v if you had 1.012v you would need an offset of +87 (which would be an additional 87.5mV over stock), and so forth.
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I'm brand new to the overclocking scene. I just got my i7-950 up to 3.8 today, and had my 570 at 815 and 1950 at the stock voltage. It ran fine in the heaven benchmark test, but when I played some BF3 and star craft 2 it crashed a few times.

I tried to up the voltage some, but I can't seem to get it to move. I unlocked it in afterburner, but it still won't let me adjust it. Are their bios settings in my mobo that I need to change? I have an asus rampage III.

Once I do get the voltage unlocked how far should I take it, with each test I run. If someone could just give me some decent settings that pretty much work on every card that would be great?

Also I'm thinking about getting a second card. Would I be better of selling my reference card and getting 2 of these instead? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130687
I'm planning on going triple screen in the near future and thought more ram might help that out.

No you would not have to change any settings on your motherboard to allow voltage adjustment on your GPU. What card exactly do you have? A Reference 570 should allow voltage adjustment with just about any version of MSI AB that you have, but just to be sure update to the latest beta and try, being sure to unlock both voltage monitoring and voltage adjustment in the settings.
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Originally Posted by neoroy;15155394 
Hi guys, where do I see the OCP setting? I just wanna know it and dont wanna to disable it for safety smile.gif max stable daily is at 945/1100 1.1volt but highest OC for bench only is at 970/1100 1.1volt.

I'm not positive but I believe you would have to flash your cards BIOS to permanently disable the OCP, the only way I'm aware of to temporarily disable it is via a check box in Furmark, but you shouldn't be using Furmark anyway so just avoid it and don't go out of your way to disable OCP and you won't accidentally do it. Oh and just FYI it's the voltage not the frequency that you ought to be worried about with your card, I say that because your 24/7 and bench profiles both use the same voltage but different speeds. Generally you want to use the highest speed that is stable for a given voltage, so if 970 is actually stable at 1.1v then that's the speed you'd want to use for that voltage. I would try to lower the voltage on your daily clock though, especially if you can still hit 940 stable but with less voltage, but even if you need to use 925 or lower I would shoot for 1.075V or even 1.062v as a good target for a daily use OC for you. Your card uses the reference amount of power phases (4 for the core and 2 for the memory) and unless I'm mistaken it has only incidental airflow to cool them with, while it's been a long time since a 570 has died due to VRMs, 1.1v, 4 power phases, and no cooling for them is a combination I would want to avoid.
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Just curious and was looking for an answer, does increasing you core clock degrade the card? or do you need voltage and bad temps. I am curious because I was playing Crysis earlier at 925 core at the stock voltage with the highest temp being in the 70s... should I continue to do this?

I'm not comfortable just saying "100% no way clock speeds alone can hurt your card" but I wouldn't really be worried about that as long as you keep them reasonable. The only time I've seen anything that makes me hesitate to say clocks alone can't hurt you, is one person that had two 560tis go south on him and start artifacting believes that it was due to his really high memory OC. If I remember it was around 24-2500Mhz which is really high, and I'm not saying that is definitely what caused his cards to fail (it could have been anything) but if it was then I would say that it was due to the memory being unstable all along but he didn't notice due to the error correcting code (ECC) on the higher end 500 series GPU's VRAM. If the memory speed was unstable then I could potentially see it eventually degrading itself on frequency alone if it were constantly having to fix it's own errors, but I'm not completely sold that was the cause. Either way the simple answer is no, you should be perfectly fine for any OC you do at stock volts as long as you are sure it's stable. I usually just don't bother with the memory OC as it brings such a tiny performance increase for the hassle of OCing it and dealing with ECC, so I recommend just worrying about your core OC, but if you'd really like to OC your memory as well post back here and I'll let you know how you need to go about it to make sure it's stable.
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Thanks Juano.

I have attached an updated screenshot.

Looks like my cards both have a VID of .912 each.

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That's their idle volts, you'll want to put them under load and see what it is there. It ought to be a little over 1v + or -. Once you start adding the offset voltage you'll find that GPU-Z or other monitoring tools may not be reporting the change as they aren't very reliable at reading the non reference VRM MSI used on that card so go by what MSI AB says if there is a conflict.

EDIT: it looks like from what I can make out in your MSI AB graph's max for their voltage that they might both be .975v which would be great, but put them under some real load and see what the volts get up to.
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My max max OC so far, this is at 960mhz / 2250mhz @ 1.100v, ram +20mv (stock 0.962v)

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This is a simple question but after the picture before my post, it confused me some. My afterburner is different on the core voltage. Mine isn't plus or minus, I have it set to 1000. I'm assuming that means 1 volt. Is that right? And am I fine running it at 1000 all the time. It runs at around a 74c max during load, and idles at around 45c.

I have my core set at 850mhz and let the slider do the shader clock, and have my memory clock at 2000. Everythng seems fine so far, but I haven't had a chance to test it for more then 20 minutes or so.

It's running around 74c while running heaven(I get 64fps score at default settings) and playing BF3, so should I just stay at 1000mv and keep upping the clock speeds until it's not stable, and then just start backing it off some, or should I be happy with the performance and back off the voltage to cool it down. I'm not sure how hot you should run it for hours on end. I'm wanting an OC that can be left on all the time.

And which is it better to go big for, the core clock speed or memoryclock? I'm using a 1080p 50 inch plasma tv for my monitor. I don't know if that would effect any settings to tweak or not.

One more question. What is the best way to test stability.
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Yes your voltage is being read in mV so that 1000 is one volt, and that is perfectly normal, different cards with different voltage regulation modules (VRMs) read and report voltage and it's adjustments in different ways. I'm going to assume you have a reference 570. Either way 1 volt is a very moderate voltage so no worries there, most people will tell you to stop at 1.1v which is where your slider should max out. I on the other hand would tell you to stick to a little less than that if possible on a reference card, like 1.075v. If you wanted to go up as high as 1.050 there would be nothing at all to worry about in my opinion.

You do have the right idea as far as overclocking goes, only thing I would add is to do one variable at a time, so start with the core clock while leaving the memory stock and work your way up until you become unstable on that then either add voltage or decrease speed to reattain stability. The core clock is much much more important than the memory clock on these cards. I don't even bother with the memory clock because of the added hassle of being sure that it's stable due to it's error correcting code (ECC) so I would recommend that you just odn't bother with the memory OC for just gaming, but if you're a benchmarker then post back here and I'll tell you what you have to do to OC the memory.

Your temps are good as well, up to about 85-87C is where you'd want to consider trying to keep it cooler as Nvidia lists the max for this card at 97C. And it's resolution that matters, not screen size, but it really doesn't affect how you will be going about your OC.

For stability testing I like Unigine Heaven, your most stressful games (Crysis, metro 2033, etc.), and 3DMark11 in that order of my preference. Just avoid things like Frumark, OCCT GPU, Kombuster or other things that are just purley GPU loading or torture tests. For Unigine Heaven I like to run it about 15 minutes in between incremental increases of speeds, and then when I think I'm stable I like to run it for about 30-45 minutes. In Unigine the most common artifact or sign of instability I've found is rays of colored lights, but be aware of other signs like little miscolored pixels flashing or the program or drivers just crashing. For your games you ought to know what they should look like so basically if you see anything odd while gaming, also usually miscolored pixels, then it could be a sign of instability. 3Dmark11 isn't my favorite way of stability testing but it's decent and it's free, the GPU test #4 is supposed to be the most stressful out of them. The problem with 3DMark11 IMO is that it's test are so short and they give the card time to cool down in between them, so it's not stressing the card enough. You can buy the premium version that will let you run a single test looped with no stops so that running test #4 might be a better test, but I just don't think it's worth paying for.
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My max max OC so far, this is at 960mhz / 2250mhz @ 1.100v, ram +20mv (stock 0.962v)

BestOC960mhz11v.png


And i broke 7K by gpu in 3dmark 2011, [[B]7028P[/B]] biggrin.gif

Im running the same clock and volts as you, seems to be a sweet spot for a few people! Getting 7150 3d marks in 2011 smile.gif

I find OC Scanner the best to test stability, I had no artifacts or crashes in 3dmark and unigine heaven running 1.088v and 970/2200 but crashed within a minute in OC scanner, and games were also unstable with these settings but I wasnt sure if it was my GPU or CPU. I now run 960 core with 1.1v and it is not crashing anymore in OC Scanner or games.
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