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I finally found out why my HP Mini 1000 feels so dang slow:


That said, here's my stupid question: Is there a way to get a modern SSD in an HP Mini 1000? It uses some kind of mini-PATA ZIF interface, I'm not sure on the specifics, but a 1.8" drive should fit inside just fine. Maybe some kind of adapter to SATA?
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I finally found out why my HP Mini 1000 feels so dang slow:


That said, here's my stupid question: Is there a way to get a modern SSD in an HP Mini 1000? It uses some kind of mini-PATA ZIF interface, I'm not sure on the specifics, but a 1.8" drive should fit inside just fine. Maybe some kind of adapter to SATA?
Well ZIF is a parallel interface, not serial which is what SATA is. Actually, to be honest with you I think ZIF is just a shrunken PATA connector...

So if you want. Get one of these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-012-_-Product

and

http://www.sourcingmap.com/inch-zif-...aign=usfroogle

I haven't checked the genders of the connectors and you would also have to find out how the power is getting to the drive. Most likely it doesn't have a 4 pin cable/SATA power, but that doesn't mean it can't be adapted.
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That said, here's my stupid question: Is there a way to get a modern SSD in an HP Mini 1000? It uses some kind of mini-PATA ZIF interface, I'm not sure on the specifics, but a 1.8" drive should fit inside just fine. Maybe some kind of adapter to SATA?
No. There are better SSDs in that form factor but they will cost more than your netbook. The issue is that these SSDs only have 2-3 channels while desktop SSDs uses 4-10 channels. The controller on these SSDs are also simpler.

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Well ZIF is a parallel interface, not serial which is what SATA is. Actually, to be honest with you I think ZIF is just a shrunken PATA connector...
This is a netbook... none of this will fit.
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Well ZIF is a parallel interface, not serial which is what SATA is. Actually, to be honest with you I think ZIF is just a shrunken PATA connector...

So if you want. Get one of these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-012-_-Product

and

http://www.sourcingmap.com/inch-zif-...aign=usfroogle

I haven't checked the genders of the connectors and you would also have to find out how the power is getting to the drive. Most likely it doesn't have a 4 pin cable/SATA power, but that doesn't mean it can't be adapted.
Cool, I'll have to research this. I kind of doubt those two adapters would fit inside though.
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I've seen SATA ZIF's in laptops before. The fact that it's a PATA instead of a SATA interface leads me to believe that no matter what connector/adapter you use, it's still stuck at PATA speeds. PATA=IDE
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I've seen SATA ZIF's in laptops before. The fact that it's a PATA instead of a SATA interface leads me to believe that no matter what connector/adapter you use, it's still stuck at PATA speeds. PATA=IDE
PATA/IDE supports up to 133MB/s so the interconnect is not the bottleneck.

The issue is that SSD in this form factor don't have enough space for additional NAND chips and there is not a great demand to encourage greater performance designs (stacked NAND).
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No. There are better SSDs in that form factor but they will cost more than your netbook. The issue is that these SSDs only have 2-3 channels while desktop SSDs uses 4-10 channels. The controller on these SSDs are also simpler.


This is a netbook... none of this will fit.
I know its a netbook. But sometimes there is some wiggle room inside somewhere like on top of the motherboard. Some modifications would have to be made.
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PATA/IDE supports up to 133MB/s so the interconnect is not the bottleneck.

The issue is that SSD in this form factor don't have enough space for additional NAND chips and there is not a great demand to encourage greater performance designs (stacked NAND).
While I've never seen an IDE drive hit anywhere near 133 MB/s, I didn't realize on smaller form factors like this they lost channels and had simpler controllers. I'd give ya a +1 for that if I could.
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While I've never seen an IDE drive hit anywhere near 133 MB/s, I didn't realize on smaller form factors like this they lost channels and had simpler controllers. I'd give ya a +1 for that if I could.
Yeah I recently bench-marked a EEE PC 900 and it had similarly horrible 6 IOPS random writes...

There are a few available options as Duckie mentioned... they usually have:

1. Less NAND channels
2. Higher prices
3. Less availablity

BUT that said, if you did upgrade to something with even a few MB/s of random Writes then the netbook would be no longer be horribly slow.

Also ... some of those netbooks have a hidden SATA port... so a hack-job might be possible... don't know how good you are with tools...

I will compile links to them as I go along:
http://www.runcore.com/content/products/
looks like they have one for HP Mini 1000...
http://www.runcorestore.com/ProductD...0AA-1249410156
Edited by TheDreadedGMan - 12/17/10 at 7:53pm
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Your second link looks interesting, except for the insane cost/GB and the 2 MB/s 4K random write speed. 2 MB/s is better than what I benched but that's probably under ideal circumstances and might be a lot lower in real life, so I'm not even sure if it would be that much faster than what I have. If there was a way to get a 40 GB or smaller SandForce drive into this I'd be all over that.

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Also ... some of those netbooks have a hidden SATA port... so a hack-job might be possible... don't know how good you are with tools...
I'm decent with a soldering iron, if this is the case I'm definitely interested. The Mini 1000 is only a few years old I think, and SATA's been pretty common for several years now.

Actually, I have another Mini 1000 I gutted for a robotics-type project (the motherboard is really small and ideal for embedded-type stuff) so I might take a closer look at it and see if anything is labeled for SATA. I know for sure there isn't an actual plug for SATA but maybe the raw traces are there and just needs a plug soldered in.
Edited by mott555 - 12/17/10 at 9:22pm
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