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Really impressed what they have dont with GTX580. 1.138v under 75C with stock cooler.

With the limiter off?
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The cooler is mounted correctly and contact is better than it was stock (base was very wavy initially. I'll try re-seating it yet again to rule out any possibility of user error, but given how low the idle temps are, and how well it cools at lower voltages, I don't see what could possibly be wrong with the mounting.

Ambient temp in the room I do my testing is ~90F. I always test for worst case scenarios, and if my AC fails when I'm not home, it can easily reach 100F in my room.

Temps start out low climb slowly, then around 70-75C they skyrocket, and don't start leveling off until the mid-upper 90s C, and by then the card is unstable at any clock speed I'd want the
Alright, I unplugged all my fans in my FT02, except for the top exhaust for the cpu, and the ambient in my case tends to lay between a good 33c to 36c.

Under these conditions, my GTX 480 topped out at 87c in Furmark with 1.038v and 840 MHz on the core. Reading through some of your complaints, I am now fairly certain that your cooler was damaged in shipping, or simply defective. Perhaps you should try an RMA?
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I hope I am not too late to recommend NOT buying the MK-13. I installed one on my 480 a few months ago when they first came out. It performed terribly, the initial temps. for mild gaming looked good but it could not handle any kind of heavy load. Testing with Furmark, it failed after about one minute of testing, the temps. were worse than the stock cooler, hitting 105C+.
Another oddity was that with the MK-13, my max. stable overclock on the 480 was reduced considerably.
In all fairness to Prolimatech, they have stated that the MK-13 is not really recommended for the 480. A review site that tested it with a 480 also confirmed this, their Furmark tests were marked DNF for the MK-13.

As far as build quality, the MK-13 is very robust with thick, well finished fins and the base has a good solid mount. It also comes with a very well designed fan bracket which can hold as many as four 120mm fans. But I suspect their heatpipes are too small to deal with the 480's heat output.

I still am using the MK-13's fan bracket with my Zalman as it fits under just about any cooler. My results with the Zalman have been excellent, 69C max with Furmark in extreme burn mode, about a 30C reduction from the stock cooler. I can overclock the GPU on the 480 to 880 now, up from 850 with the stock cooler. This is a similar result that Tom's Hardware got with their review on the Zalman and Accelero.

You mentioned putting two high speed fans on the MK-13, I doubt it would help as I had two 110cfm Silverstones blowing on the MK-13.

I did use my stock heatplate with the MK-13 as it fit perfectly. I don't know if that or the Zalman plate would be adaptable to a different cooler, but it sure beats having to stick those flimsy individual heatsinks on the card, I have done that too many times on previous cards.

Too bad your Zalman isn't working out for you, I also think it may be defective in some way based on how well it performs for myself and others.

Another option would be to get the Accelero, I had two mounted on my 275's previously and they were great coolers. I decided to go with the Zalman this time because of its' excellent one-piece heatplate for the vrms and memory.

Good luck!
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I think due to the limited space vga cooler has, the factory shroud design should be the best. It could effectively take the heat off the case while most of the aftermarket vga cooler can't.
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Um...the fins aren't even making proper contact with the heatpipes, so you glue them on with epoxy? What in the world made you think that would work? It's obvious that your heatsink is defective - return it?

As for the MK-13...it's the one heatsink that I would NOT buy. It has known issues w/defective heat pipes that only work when the card is vertical (as it would be in a test bench).
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I appreciate the advice regarding the MX-13 and am now thinking about using the stock mem/vrm plate with the AXP. The accelero seems to be the only air cooler likely to move the amount of heat this particular card produces, and I've enjoyed their GPU coolers in the past.

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Alright, I unplugged all my fans in my FT02, except for the top exhaust for the cpu, and the ambient in my case tends to lay between a good 33c to 36c.

Under these conditions, my GTX 480 topped out at 87c in Furmark with 1.038v and 840 MHz on the core. Reading through some of your complaints, I am now fairly certain that your cooler was damaged in shipping, or simply defective. Perhaps you should try an RMA?
I'm going to attempt to get a refund. Defective or not, it was not in any way what I was expecting. It's soaking in a tub of acetone while I'm away for the holidays. Should be bad as new by the time I get back.

Also, it's perfectly possible that with the same voltage, at similar speeds, with similar ambient temps, that there could be a significant temperature differential.

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Um...the fins aren't even making proper contact with the heatpipes, so you glue them on with epoxy? What in the world made you think that would work? It's obvious that your heatsink is defective - return it?
It's not uncommon for fins to be pressure fitted to heat pipes (arctic cooling does this as well) and only the last few fins on each end had an issue. I epoxied them back on because the fans are clipped to those fins and the shroud is screwed to those fins (that's probably why they were lose, they are the only fins that have to take any stress).

As for what made me think it would work? Why on earth wouldn't it? The epoxy was primarily for structural reinforcement, and it's doing it's job exceptionally well. Have you even taken your's apart to see how it's put together?

Regardless, it's going back. The build quality of everything was sub par.
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I appreciate the advice regarding the MX-13 and am now thinking about using the stock mem/vrm plate with the AXP. The accelero seems to be the only air cooler likely to move the amount of heat this particular card produces, and I've enjoyed their GPU coolers in the past.



I'm going to attempt to get a refund. Defective or not, it was not in any way what I was expecting. It's soaking in a tub of acetone while I'm away for the holidays. Should be bad as new by the time I get back.

Also, it's perfectly possible that with the same voltage, at similar speeds, with similar ambient temps, that there could be a significant temperature differential.



It's not uncommon for fins to be pressure fitted to heat pipes (arctic cooling does this as well) and only the last few fins on each end had an issue. I epoxied them back on because the fans are clipped to those fins and the shroud is screwed to those fins (that's probably why they were lose, they are the only fins that have to take any stress).

As for what made me think it would work? Why on earth wouldn't it? The epoxy was primarily for structural reinforcement, and it's doing it's job exceptionally well. Have you even taken your's apart to see how it's put together?

Regardless, it's going back. The build quality of everything was sub par.
Well, get yourself a refund for the Zalman then. I will be interested to see if the stock mem/vrm plate works with the Accelero. If it does , you should be all set to go and have a damn good cooler setup. Good Luck!
    
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Applied for an RMA on the VF3000 and ordered an Accelero (along with some good thermal pads to replace the ones on the stock plate).

I'm not completely confident it will manage the heat of my particular GTX 480. It's got more surface area, and slightly more air flow than the Zalman, but the same number of heatpipes in contact with the core.

If the AXP doesn't suffice I'll try one more air cooling combination: the Thermalright Shaman + VRM G2.

I was considering water, but since I have next to no usable wc gear currently, spending ~200-300 dollars to cool a 350 dollar GPU seems wasteful. It's still an option though, as it would all be reusable on new GPUs, as I wouldn't get a full cover block.

Hopefully the Accelero Xtreme Plus pans out.
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well if u plan to put the stock vrm HS on the AXP u have to mod stock vrm heatsink
 
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I really have to say that I'm very surprised at how poorly your VF3000F is performing, I installed one on my Zotac GTX480 2 days ago and its been the best thing I've ever done for the card. Ive been able to get incredibly clocks out of that card stable in all games and furmark and anything else I throw at it. All while doing it whisper quiet compared to the hair dryer that came on the thing.

These are my settings in MSI Afterburner for it and it is 100% stable and never goes above the mid 60s in game. In fur mark it his I believe 78c with everything turned up to the super burn in mode and all, but thats the highest I've ever seen it with the VF3000F.

1125mV vcore
885mhz core clock
1770mhz shader clock
2035mhz memory clock

Heres my card and then the card in my computer.






I do have the EVGA high flow bracket on as well but I doubt that is doing anything.


Edited by mr_bucket - 2/14/11 at 1:37am
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