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Can't go wrong with either GTX 570 or 6970, go with the cheaper card.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arty View Post
The Radeon 6970 is much faster and a better value.
LOL - seeing how the 570 is $20 cheaper.

Let's see how much faster the 6970 is, and I'm going to use an EXTREME example, so take it for what it is:

when the 570 is faster, it goes like this:





When the 6970 is faster, it goes something like this:





(Though I have seen on other sites showing the 570 faster in Mafia 2 )



And then, there are stats where it's not even close:



Yes, these are extreme examples from 2 different sites, when the 6970 is faster, it's not faster by much, when the 570 is faster, sometimes it's not even close.

And, last but not least, you're comparing AMD's faster SINGLE GPU, vs Nvidia's 2nd fastest.

What would happen if we compared Nvidia's fastest vs AMD's 2nd fastest? hmmmmm

Now, can you please show me how the 6970 is MUCH faster and a better value?

I wouldn't mind seing some Extreme examples either in ALL resolutions.
Edited by 2010rig - 12/18/10 at 11:51am
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i might get a new monitor. i really just want bragging rights because i'm a bit of an enthusiast. having the parts for the sake of having them with no practical application at my resolution

biggest worry for me is the power consumption, as i do not want to upgrade my gpu yet.
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Is it true that GTX 570 overclocks effortlessly to GTX 580's performance? What clocks and approximate voltages are needed to equal GTX 580's performance?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yor_ View Post
Is it true that GTX 570 overclocks effortlessly to GTX 580's performance? What clocks and approximate voltages are needed to equal GTX 580's performance?
This thread will help you:
http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/8919...ng-thread.html

AFAIK 880 MHZ will net 580 stock performance, and you'll see in that thread people are reaching 900 MHZ quite easily.
Edited by 2010rig - 12/18/10 at 11:48am
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LOL - seeing how the 570 is $20 cheaper.

Let's see how much faster the 6970 is, and I'm going to use an EXTREME example, so take it for what it is:

when the 570 is faster, it goes like this:





When the 6970 is faster, it goes something like this:





(Though I have seen on other sites showing the 570 faster in Mafia 2 )



And then, there are stats where it's not even close:



Yes, these are extreme examples from 2 different sites, when the 6970 is faster, it's not faster by much, when the 570 is faster, sometimes it's not even close.

And, last but not least, you're comparing AMD's faster SINGLE GPU, vs Nvidia's 2nd fastest.

What would happen if we compared Nvidia's fastest vs AMD's 2nd fastest? hmmmmm

Now, can you please show me how the 6970 is MUCH faster and a better value?

I wouldn't mind seing some Extreme examples either in ALL resolutions.
ATI's fastest single GPU against Nvidia's second doesn't matter, all that matters is price and performance.

Also those Battleforge figures are completely off, Anandtech has it behind the 570 but way faster then the 470 and 5870. There's no way a 6970 is slower then 5870. Lost Planet runs much better on Nvidia cards, a GTX460 can beat a 5870 in this game when clearly the 5870 is miles ahead.

Oh and I can cherrypick benchmarks as well.











Basically OP if you game at a low resolution then the 570 is the better choice by far however if you do game at 1920x1200 or 2560x1600 with AA then the 6970 will slower edge out the 570 while being slight more power efficient. Both are great and you won't regret either, oh and don't worry about drivers. I own both ATi and Nvidia cards and they are always rock solid for single cards.
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The OP's monitor is: Dell 19" 1440X900

So, those 1600p smallish gains are irrelevant.

Anandtech is the only review site that has stats favoring the 6970 like that, so obviously, AMD guys are going only based on that site.

You should look at ALL reviews and base your decision on the bigger picture, plus, look at what real world users are benchmarking:
http://www.overclock.net/benchmarkin...rks-1080p.html

Too bad more AMD guys aren't posting their benchmarks, only 1 has stepped up with Dual 6950's.
F1 seems to slightly favor AMD, let's look at Dirt 2:



Stalker, a mere 3 FPS faster on a different site:



Thank you for proving my point though, when the 6970 edges out the 570 it's only @ 1600p, and it's not on every game, and the difference is minimal.

Unlike when the 570 most often beats the 6970 on MANY more resolutions ( 1680x1050, 1920x1080, 1920x1200 ) which are more mainstream for people spending $300-$400 on a GPU.

Besides, the 6970 doesn't beat the 570 in every game EVEN @ 1600p, and the 6970 has almost twice as much memory, we'll use Anandtech to examine this further.

This is 5 out of the 10 games reviewed, and in the others it is VERY close, so this pretty much shatters the myth that the 6970 is the only way to go for 1600p.











2 of the remaining 5 are SO CLOSE that's it's hardly a win for the 6970 these are pretty much a tie.
0.2 FPS faster


2.5 FPS faster


And, the all important compute performance, anyone who does Photoshop work, video editing or F@H greatly benefits from CUDA, something AMD is far behind at.



After examining this further, the 570 definitely has the edge over the 6970 @ EVERY resolution, considering that the 570 can easily be overclocked to 580 stock performance, and at that point, it's no longer a competition, just look at the benchmarks for the 580.

The 570 bested the 6970 @ 1600p in 5 out of 10 games, tied 2, and slightly lost the other 3.

Besides, what puts the 570 over the top is...

People are easily reaching 900 MHZ+, and you only need 880MHZ to reach 580 stock performance.
http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/8919...ng-thread.html

As for the 6970 we'll see how much OC headroom it has left, and it remains to be seen whether overclocking a 6970 can reach 580 stock performance, just like the 570 can.
Edited by 2010rig - 12/18/10 at 4:30pm
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How am I an AMD guy, yes I am defending the 6970 but only because I believe it's a viable option in this case not that it's better or faster. I don't care about brand, only price/performance. Also how is Anandtech AMD pro? I'd think they were more Nvidia-pro.

F1 does favour AMD, and HAWX, Civ5, Lost Planet and Battleforge favour Nvidia.

No, I agree that GTX570 is the better choice below 1600p but at 1600p it mostly favours the 6970. If we're going to use different review sites then.





True I have heard that 570's overclock pretty well, to be honest let's stop. Let the OP decide, even if the 570 is faster at lower resolutions it's still more then enough to play any game at those lower resolutions. Either card will be good for him.
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I love how ATI vs Nvidia battles always break out when comparing one of their cards to another.
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570 if gaming at 1080P/1200P.
6970 is a good GPU for gaming at 1600P.

Whats all the fuss about?
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