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post #11 of 21
Two 470's on that 750W should be fine. If it was two 480's, then a 850W to 1000W PSU would have been preferable.
post #12 of 21
Looks like it will handle it.
http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp
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post #13 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by daaavidf View Post
would i be better going with two 460's overclocked or two 470's stock?
If you can afford two 470s, then go with two 470s. But definitely overclock them too because this power supply can handle it without a problem.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_Man View Post
But recommending a power supply calculator causes you to be responsible for making sure the person to whom you're recommending it uses it correctly. You can recommend a PSU calculator like this to 10 different people who all have perfectly identical systems in every last detail, but yet get 10 very different results.

Plus, these PSU calculators aren't accurate enough anyway - especially when used incorrectly.
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post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post
If you can afford two 470s, then go with two 470s. But definitely overclock them too because this power supply can handle it without a problem.


But recommending a power supply calculator causes you to be responsible for making sure the person to whom you're recommending it uses it correctly. You can recommend a PSU calculator like this to 10 different people who all have perfectly identical systems in every last detail, but yet get 10 very different results.

Plus, these PSU calculators aren't accurate enough anyway - especially when used incorrectly.


It seems like a pretty simple Calculator to me.

In fact i would say it takes the responsibility off of me, because if i had of told him to get a 550 and he did and it was not enough, it would be my fault.



I would say it is no different than any other thread were some say XXXW and others say XXXW..

But that is just my opinion.
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post #15 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_Man View Post
It seems like a pretty simple Calculator to me.

In fact i would say it takes the responsibility off of me, because if i had of told him to get a 550 and he did and it was not enough, it would be my fault.

That's why people who aren't 100% sure about their recommendation shouldn't post it. For example, I am 100% sure about my recommendation. In fact, I guarantee it. But if I were not 100% sure, then I would keep quiet because making a recommendation when you're not 100% sure of what you're recommending is a waste of someone's time. Why allow yourself to post a recommendation if you're only 99.99% sure about it?

As for the power supply calculator: I've seen that thing misused in many, many different ways all of which resulting in very different calculations. Should I post a few examples of how it can be misused? To keep it brief, here are the following settings that often confuse people thereby causing them to get extremely inaccurate results (and if you don't believe me, then ask someone like Phaedrus2129):
  • System Type - Way too many people choose something other than 1 Physical CPU just because they have multiple cores
  • Motherboard - They don't know the difference between Regular and High End (I've seen the other choices confuse them too, so some people get stuck even right here at the beginning)
  • CPU Utilization (TDP) - Way too many people choose 100% which is unrealistic
  • Overclock my CPU! - This can feel like you're using it correctly, but most of the wattage results are incorrect
  • RAM - Yep, even this one because some people get confused about FB DIMMS (but this is a very small one in this list)
  • Hard Drives - Way too many people don't know what to select. I saw one guy select three High rpm SATA drives because he had three Caviar Blacks. But those are 7200 RPM drives which makes them Regular SATA drives
  • PCI Cards - some people get confused here too!
  • Additional PCI Card (avg): - Again, confusion abounds once in a while!!
  • Additional PCI Express Cards - Too many people see this and immediately account for their video card(s) here. Heh.
  • External Devices - Too many people account for their keyboard and mouse when this calculator already has them figured in
  • Fans - Too many people don't know what's what
  • System Load - Too many people choose 100% which is absolutely ridiculous because that means every single part of the system is at 100% load. This means all hard drives, all optical drives, the sound card, video card(s), the memory, the CPU, and everything else you can think of that makes up what you call your Computer System. Instead, 70-80% is FAR more realistic while 85-90% is about perfect for 24/7 folding rigs.
  • Capacitor Aging - Way too many people choose values that are way too high because they don't know what they're doing

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In other words: screw those calculators. They're for people who don't have OCN at their disposal.

Alright, so that wasn't brief.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_Man View Post
I would say it is no different than any other thread were some say XXXW and others say XXXW..

But that is just my opinion.
Yeah, one problem I see here on OCN is that nearly every "recommend me a PSU" thread that gets posted ends up with replies from people who actually don't know what they're talking about and instead just say things like, "Dude, go with Antec and Corsair! They're the best!", or, "Dude, you need a 750W for your system if you're going to have a single GTX 570 in it!".

So that's where people like Phaedrus2129 come in handy. They come in, clear everything up, and then the person asking for help ends up being able to make an informed decision. Or, they end up learning that their current PSU is absolutely fine and doesn't need to be replaced.

Yeah. I think the power supply is that important.


Edit: I apologize for not reviewing this before I submitted it.
Edited by TwoCables - 12/20/10 at 11:55am
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post #16 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post
That's why people who aren't 100% sure about their recommendation shouldn't post it. For example, I am 100% sure about my recommendation. In fact, I guarantee it. But if I were not 100% sure, then I would keep quiet because making a recommendation when you're not 100% sure of what you're recommending is a waste of someone's time. Why allow yourself to post a recommendation if you're only 99.99% sure about it?

As for the power supply calculator: I've seen that thing misused in many, many different ways all of which resulting in very different calculations. Should I post a few examples of how it can be misused? To keep it brief, here are the following settings that often confuse people thereby causing them to get extremely inaccurate results (and if you don't believe me, then ask someone like Phaedrus2129):
  • System Type - Way too many people choose something other than 1 Physical CPU just because they have multiple cores
  • Motherboard - They don't know the difference between Regular and High End (I've seen the other choices confuse them too, so some people get stuck even right here at the beginning)
  • CPU Utilization (TDP) - Way too many people choose 100% which is unrealistic
  • Overclock my CPU! - This can feel like you're using it correctly, but most of the wattage results are incorrect
  • RAM - Yep, even this one because some people get confused about FB DIMMS (but this is a very small one in this list)
  • Hard Drives - Way too many people don't know what to select. I saw one guy select three High rpm SATA drives because he had three Caviar Blacks. But those are 7200 RPM drives which makes them Regular SATA drives
  • PCI Cards - some people get confused here too!
  • Additional PCI Card (avg): - Again, confusion abounds once in a while!!
  • Additional PCI Express Cards - Too many people see this and immediately account for their video card(s) here. Heh.
  • External Devices - Too many people account for their keyboard and mouse when this calculator already has them figured in
  • Fans - Too many people don't know what's what
  • System Load - Too many people choose 100% which is absolutely ridiculous because that means every single part of the system is at 100% load. This means all hard drives, all optical drives, the sound card, video card(s), the memory, the CPU, and everything else you can think of that makes up what you call your Computer System. Instead, 70-80% is FAR more realistic while 85-90% is about perfect for 24/7 folding rigs.
  • Capacitor Aging - Way too many people choose values that are way too high because they don't know what they're doing

So when I say that recommending these PSU calculators makes you responsible for making sure it's used correctly, I really mean it. It's usually best to avoid recommending it so that you don't have to end up explaining hat to select for some of these options!!! It's just much better to leave PSU recommendations up to people like Phaedrus2129, meticadpa, shinji2k, Tator Tot, and whoever else you might think of as an OCN PSU expert!!

In other words: screw those calculators. They're for people who don't have OCN at their disposal.

Alright, so that wasn't brief.


Yeah, one problem I see here on OCN is that nearly every "recommend me a PSU" thread that gets posted ends up with replies from people who actually don't know what they're talking about and instead just say things like, "Dude, go with Antec and Corsair! They're the best!", or, "Dude, you need a 750W for your system if you're going to have a single GTX 570 in it!".

So that's where people like Phaedrus2129 come in handy. They come in, clear everything up, and then the person asking for help ends up being able to make an informed decision. Or, they end up learning that their current PSU is absolutely fine and doesn't need to be replaced.

Yeah. I think the power supply is that important.
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I think I'm done correcting my big typos and bad English. That was embarrassing.
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I think I'm done correcting my big typos and bad English. That was embarrassing.
Well I can see where you are coming from.

That was the first time I used one and it came up with the same answer as you so it, cant be that off. Lol


Maybe the thing lacking these days is the use of COMMON SENSE when using stuff like that, or anything in general.
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post #19 of 21
650 watts ok for 2 GTX 460 or would it HAVE to be 750watts or more?
post #20 of 21
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650 watts ok for 2 GTX 460 or would it HAVE to be 750watts or more?
For two 460s get a 650 watt. For two 470s get a 750 watt.
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