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Don't do anything. Take your screenshots and email the buggers. Tell them you're pissed and that you're still getting the same problem because they sent you back the same card. Let them know that you're a member of a few enthusiasts sites and that you'll be posting your results for everyone to see.
That's what I would do. I may even do it in their facebook page too if they made me. 80c is not unusual for a stock 6970 (even 90c), but it should never go over 100c, and none of my shaders are going over 100c.
I had thought MSI was a better company. Don't go taking it apart. You'd be better off to run it as hot as you can until it dies and then send it into MSI. It's pretty easy to block the airflow on the card and force it to die. I'd email them first though with your screen shots and see what they say. I may even email AMD and see what they say the safe temps are for those shaders, and then send that with your email to MSI.

I have not taken it apart yet and I'm not quite ready to become belligerent either since I do have a 6950 I can toss in if I have to send it back once again I just do not understand how they did not see the symptoms that are easily replicated even after getting it back from repair. I sent an email to their RMA department with one screenshot and my observations along with my last RMA number so I hoping for a response in the next couple of days. I guess I could also use this as an opportunity to attach one of the closed loop coolers to it like I have on my cpu and see if that fixes the temps but will wait for another one to go on sale again if they will not take it back again. Thanks for the advice.
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ohhh im excited i found a forum for 6900 owners Lol I've got my hands on a 6970 2gb gddr5 gpu from powercolor and its the most expensive component in my build! (got mobo and cpu for free) awesome card and awesome club! 450
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I have not taken it apart yet and I'm not quite ready to become belligerent either since I do have a 6950 I can toss in if I have to send it back once again I just do not understand how they did not see the symptoms that are easily replicated even after getting it back from repair. I sent an email to their RMA department with one screenshot and my observations along with my last RMA number so I hoping for a response in the next couple of days. I guess I could also use this as an opportunity to attach one of the closed loop coolers to it like I have on my cpu and see if that fixes the temps but will wait for another one to go on sale again if they will not take it back again. Thanks for the advice.

Hey man sorry to hear about the RMA process gone bad.

But I am still scratching my head following your ordeal, and have a few thoughts:

1. No one who owns a 6970 lightning has yet to post temps up in furmark or other intensive benchmark for comparison, i suggest to hit up Disturbed the thread starter he has one
2. It is a real long shot but is it possible that your PSU is having issues providing enough juice to the card? Specs show your PSU putting out 503w continues, and it only has 1 pcie 6+2, so you must be using a molex to pcie 8 pin...is this correct? It is always suggested to avoid using molex connections, and this could be why you are getting GSODS or BSODS i forget which, as noted way back when your first posted
3. If all else fails after emailing screen shots to MSI, is it possible that the temp tolerance for the shader is as high as 150, I would ask what the spec is for the shader....
 
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Hey man sorry to hear about the RMA process gone bad.
But I am still scratching my head following your ordeal, and have a few thoughts:
1. No one who owns a 6970 lightning has yet to post temps up in furmark or other intensive benchmark for comparison, i suggest to hit up Disturbed the thread starter he has one
2. It is a real long shot but is it possible that your PSU is having issues providing enough juice to the card? Specs show your PSU putting out 503w continues, and it only has 1 pcie 6+2, so you must be using a molex to pcie 8 pin...is this correct? It is always suggested to avoid using molex connections, and this could be why you are getting GSODS or BSODS i forget which, as noted way back when your first posted
3. If all else fails after emailing screen shots to MSI, is it possible that the temp tolerance for the shader is as high as 150, I would ask what the spec is for the shader....

Yeah nobody with this particular has chimed in yet maybe I will send someone a pm. I could definitely use more data at this point....

I'm actually using a 6 pin to 8 pin converter and a 6+2 pin to power the card, I'm not using a molex at all to power the card. I guess it is a possibility its the psu but that still would not explain the temps (if they are indeed abnormal...). I do have a 2500k and it is overclocked but I'm only running at 4.2 because I left it at stock voltage. My guess is I'm pulling 350-400W at the wall and my psu should handle that fine.

As far as normal temps for this card I still have not heard back from MSI yet, hope they respond soon, I sent them a screenshot after using kombustor. My 6950 does not even show a shader temp so I cannot compare it and people with reference 6970's have reported shader temps that are very close to the core temps (the shaders are in the core and it makes sense to me that if the heatsink needed to be reseated they would all be high not just one).

I did find this thread here http://www.overclock.net/t/1141372/msi-r6970-lightning-crossfire-extremely-unstable/0_30 near the bottom a few people state they had this problem, one fixed it by reseating the heatsink and another fixed it by applying pressure to the heatsink so it did not sag. I opened my case up, turned it on its side, fired up kombustor and watched the temps soar. I then using my hand applied as much pressure as I could without stressing the pci slot on the heatsink and the temps did not change so I do not believe its sagging.

The only I have not tried is reseating the heatsink, I can do this easily I just have not had the time or motivation to do it yet. I'm off work tonight so I may try it if I have time, I also have an aftermarket cooler on my 6950 I could transfer over but then I would have to reattach the stock (loud) cooler on the 6950 which I do not really want to do (its going to reaplce a 5670 in a htpc if I cannot sell it and the 6970 starts working correctly).

Thanks for the advice smile.gif
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Followup to the last post, I had a tube of some antec thermal paste so I figured it was time for a reseat. I took off the heatsink and look what I found beneath it ohno-smiley.gif If you look really close it even appears to have some type of fiber attached to a capacitor!!!!

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Cleaned it off the best I could with some alcohol wipes and applied a pea size drop of thermal paste before mounting it back down. Now my shader temps are sitting about 10*C higher than the core so probably in the 80's while gaming, I'm ok with that. I still have no idea why the hell it had so much thermal paste. It was comprised of 2 different colors so I think they added more thermal paste on top of the stock thermal paste without properly cleaning it when I sent it to them. I'm going to keep an eye out for a cheap antec 620 and add it on when I find one, I would like the temps to be around 60*C where my 6950 ran.

Thanks again for the advice. Moral of the story, forget rma's, just fix it yourself biggrin.gif
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Cleaned it off the best I could with some alcohol wipes and applied a pea size drop of thermal paste before mounting it back down. Now my shader temps are sitting about 10*C higher than the core so probably in the 80's while gaming, I'm ok with that. I still have no idea why the hell it had so much thermal paste. It was comprised of 2 different colors so I think they added more thermal paste on top of the stock thermal paste without properly cleaning it when I sent it to them. I'm going to keep an eye out for a cheap antec 620 and add it on when I find one, I would like the temps to be around 60*C where my 6950 ran.
Thanks again for the advice. Moral of the story, forget rma's, just fix it yourself biggrin.gif

Heck yeah Nice work!...6 to 8 pin converter all good then! and I agree you wall wattage is likely 400w. In regards to the temps that is actually exactly what my unlocked TF3 6950's do ~ 10 degrees higher than core after the unlock.

Very interesting with the thermal paste, that definitely looked thick, two colors, and whenever i have pulled off GPU heatsinks the paste is usually dried up by the time i get to it. I agree that they reapplied and reseated heatsink incorrectly, and then did not take the time to retest?? or they did and said screw it send it back to him??? odd. Oh but leave him with a piece chemwipe or whatever that is on the board lol
 
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Sup guys, I have a XFX Radeon 6950 2GB card with my cpu being AMD Athlon II X4 640 Propus 3.0GHz. I have everything stock right now and I just bought another MSI 6950 ref card from a member here(Sparkysomething) and was wondering if I crossfire both will it run okay? Or should I upgrade my CPU? I have overclocked it to 3.6 and ran very stable but as soon as I went up to 3.7 I would get crashes... so I decided to leave it stock.

So basically my steup is

XFX Radeon 6950 2GB
Asrock 890FX Deluxe 4 MB
AMD Athlon II X4 640 Propus 3.0GHz

I will be getting another 6950 card in maybe a week, should I upgrade my CPU...
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You desperately need a new cpu. You're already bottlenecking the cpu you have with one card.

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You desperately need a new cpu. You're already bottlenecking the cpu you have with one card.

That was quick, okay what cpu do you recommend? My budget is around 150. I love advice since I'm not really experienced altough I did do my current build...
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That was quick, okay what cpu do you recommend? My budget is around 150. I love advice since I'm not really experienced altough I did do my current build...

For that money I would get a 960t or a 6 core. It's really hard not to bottleneck two of these cards without an intel cpu in all honesty.

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