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Aim is not the only test of skill. In TF2, which is a class based shooter, strategy, positioning, and understanding the advantages and disadvantages of the different classes are other things to take into account besides simple aim. You are correct that a heavy can't improve aim, especially at long distances. But that is the point, if you are in a position where the spread of the heavy's minigun is not accurate enough then you are the wrong class for that situation or you are in the wrong place for playing heavy. There is a lot more to the game than simply aiming and shooting and dealing with recoil.
AIM is a HUGE part of any skill based FPS though. Everything that you just said can be applied to all of the games that I mentioned and any other fps that isn't 1v1 based. In CS for example, you have to understand the limits of each gun, flashes, nades, smokes, sniper rifles such as the AWP, spam spots, etc. It can be argued that positioning, strategy, and understanding the advantages/disadvantages of the different weapons is much more important in the games that I mentioned just due to the fact that if both teams have roughly the same level of aim/reflexes then superior teamwork and knowledge/positioning will bring you up to the next level.

I love how you say "simple aim" aim is probably the most important skill in any fps. Actually it is the most important skill.

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But that is the point, if you are in a position where the spread of the heavy's minigun is not accurate enough then you are the wrong class for that situation or you are in the wrong place for playing heavy.
Replace heavy's minigun in the quoted text with m4/awp, or any other gun and you should see my point as plain as day. There's a lot more to all of the games that I mentioned than just aim and shooting too. It's just that TF2 neglected a major part (foundation) of any good shooter.
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Your implying that free stuff is always good. I know let's go get cancer, it's free!

Stop taking things completely out of context, it does no good except make your point invalid and your opinion isn't always right. That's basically what i've been fighting every time I say I am not happy with the direction of the game. I don't care how cheap it was when I bought it, I am still sorely disappointed with the direction it has gone.
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Which is why I stopped playing when they released the hats. TF2 will never be the same again.
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Sigh..

Have you people even played competitive? Most if not ALL classes in competitive use vanilla items, not because they're forced to - but because they're better than other items.

Also, sorry.. I couldn't hear your cries over my Black Spine Chilling Skull.

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Sigh..

Have you people even played competitive? Most if not ALL classes in competitive use vanilla items, not because they're forced to - but because they're better than other items.

Also, sorry.. I couldn't hear your cries over my Black Spine Chilling Skull.

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I used to play competitive all the time, I stopped for a while though because I got kind of tired of it.
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Nice you sure got me. When did I ever say Valve sucks? Constant updates and content releases are great, just not when the update is only relevant for a week and I have to spend 20+ minutes downloading it. It is a huge turn off for me. I was all up to date pre halloween update and now I am 1GB or so behind... cool Ill update my game so it downloads christmas and halloween stuff I wont use.
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this is the same thing that happened to kanye...
Except his new album had some of his illest beats and collabs, but whatever amigo. Kanye and Bon Iver? Yeah.

On topic though, I agree with the point OP is trying to make. The only time I play TF2 now is on vanilla servers. They kind of just created a monster with the updates. I don't want to say the game itself turned into a gimmick, but there's really no other way to describe it.

I enjoyed the updates until we got past the sniper/spy updates, despite how obscenely broken the arrow hitboxes were at first. They just tried to add too much content without respect for balance and enjoyment. Hats and other cosmetic things aren't the issue, but do people really want another hat or sunglasses over bug fixes and decent game design?

In retrospect, gimmick is definitely the word to describe TF2 in it's current state. Not that I can complain really, there's vanilla servers and more than enough people who share this sentiment to fill them.
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