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Why do you consider LED backlighting more uniform? I would actually argue the complete opposite as LEDs have both hot spots and LED displays are brighter around the edges than in the middle.
That depends on what type of LED backlighting you're talking about. There are the edge-lit panels, and then there are the panels that have an individual LED behind each pixel. I just assumed we were talking about the second one, because the first one is the biggest steaming pile of crap that ever hit the display industry!

No if you're comparing an edge-lit LED backlight to CCFL backlight, then LED loses in every category.
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That depends on what type of LED backlighting you're talking about. There are the edge-lit panels, and then there are the panels that have an individual LED behind each pixel. I just assumed we were talking about the second one, because the first one is the biggest steaming pile of crap that ever hit the display industry!

No if you're comparing an edge-lit LED backlight to CCFL backlight, then LED loses in every category.
My understanding is 99% of "LED Monitors" on the market are edge-lit. Full-array LED displays practically disappeared when the "ooo it's thin!" appeal grew. One thing to note about full-array LED displays is there are not LEDs behind each pixel. Instead, they have ~150 (usually) LEDs in "zones" behind the LCD panel. Now if we're talking full array LEDs, yes, they should be more uniform than a traditional CCFL LCD display.

Sounds like we're arguing, but I think we are actually arguing the same thing lol.

Suffice to say, the OP, if you find a spectacular deal on LCD displays, don't discount them because they're not LED displays. There's really not that much difference.
Edited by Xyxyll - 12/20/10 at 10:51am
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Nah, it's a LOT more than 150. Obviously it depends on the size of the panel, but you're looking at approximately 1 LED per 4 pixels. How do you think RGBLED backlighting is possible? If it had only 150 zones then you'd end up with a big rubix cube of a display.

Maybe some super cheap arrays are like that, but I haven't paid attention to those in a while
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Nah, it's a LOT more than 150. Obviously it depends on the size of the panel, but you're looking at approximately 1 LED per 4 pixels. How do you think RGBLED backlighting is possible? If it had only 150 zones then you'd end up with a big rubix cube of a display.

Maybe some super cheap arrays are like that, but I haven't paid attention to those in a while
I think you're right about being a lot more than 150 LEDs. Definitely not 2.1 million of them though. More appropriately it should be ~150 zones of X # of LEDs. However, even the newest full-array LEDs don't have more than 3500 LEDs. A Vizio has 80 zones of 960 LEDs, where as a LG allegedly has 120 zones of 3600 LEDs.

I don't know how many LEDs my 46" Samsung LNT4681F has, which was a pretty high-end TV, but it's not that many.
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Nah who cares about TVs, I'm talking about monitors. LCD TV's are crap to begin with, no matter what backlighting you put on them they'll still look like crap. And yeah on TV's it's more like one LED per 50-100 pixels IIRC.

The thing is that LCD TVs don't have a reason to be accurate. They just have to look and sound good enough for the average consumer.

But when talking about high end monitors, the primary markets are graphic designers, photographers, and other professions were their work is color-critical. Not a single one of them would accept having zones of different brightness.
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As Xyxyll has already mentioned, pretty much every "LED monitor" you can get (or perceivably buy) is of the edge lit variety, so really, the only major benefit of a LED monitor over conventional CCFL ones is lower power consumption. It would be a different matter if it was LED full-array backlit.

BTW Manyak, those prices you listed for the U2311H and U2211H are excluding VAT and is from the Dell Small & Medium business site, not their consumer one. The U2311H is about £250 and the U2211H is about £235 from regular stores, i.e. Scan:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/23-de...cp-displayport

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/215-d...cp-displayport
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I think I have a new prime candidate thanks to this thread :-)

Dell U2311H

EDIT: Argh... Price was without VAT... Oh well more money... :-(
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As Xyxyll has already mentioned, pretty much every "LED monitor" you can get (or perceivably buy) is of the edge lit variety, so really, the only major benefit of a LED monitor over conventional CCFL ones is lower power consumption. It would be a different matter if it was LED full-array backlit.

BTW Manyak, those prices you listed for the U2311H and U2211H are excluding VAT and is from the Dell Small & Medium business site, not their consumer one. The U2311H is about £250 and the U2211H is about £235 from regular stores, i.e. Scan:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/23-de...cp-displayport

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/215-d...cp-displayport
It doesn't matter if it's the small business site, you can still order from there.
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I think I have a new prime candidate thanks to this thread :-)

Dell U2311H

EDIT: Argh... Price was without VAT... Oh well more money... :-(
You actually missed a very good deal a month back on the U2311H where it was on sale + vouchers for £186 (I ended up buying 2)

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It doesn't matter if it's the small business site, you can still order from there.
Yeah that wasn't my point, what I meant was after VAT and delivery, it's £273.78 for the U2311H. It's been cheaper to buy from other retailers, like Scan.
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You actually missed a very good deal a month back on the U2311H where it was on sale + vouchers for £186 (I ended up buying 2)


Yeah that wasn't my point, what I meant was after VAT and delivery, it's £273.78 for the U2311H. It's been cheaper to buy from other retailers, like Scan.
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