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How exactly? I mean I know some techniques to help me remember/learn things. For example for my exams at university I would write out my notes over and over again and it seemed to stick, and an obvious one for physical activities is doing it over and over again (eg, driving)....

But they are techniques to learn something, not to completely memorise them.

At risk of receiving flame from the "I disagree with anything I dont understand" sect, I will pass along what I have learned, cant guarantee it will work for you, but I can say it has worked wonders for me. It started with a paragraph from a book I read years ago but didnt really understand it until much later, to paraphrase it.

"Your average man can go through most of his day without ever activating his mind and forming a detailed memory about what he has done unless something out of the ordinary happens, we test this by looking at ourselves as we get ready for work. We roll out of bed, drink our morning coffee, smoke our morning cigarette, we run the shower and hop in, pick out our clothes and walk out the door. We walk the same route to work every day, one foot in front of the next, deep in thought about bills, woman, and activities planned for later in the day, subconsciously we dodge cars, nod at people we make eye contact with and not once do we trip. Block after block we walk until we reach work, we sit down in our cubicle and clock in. At that moment if someone were to stop and talk to this man and ask him for details about his morning, he cannot give you any, he can tell you what he did, but his memory is deceiving, a mashup of all the memories he has of doing these things 1000 times previously, nothing stands out. He has been for all intents and purposes sleepwalking for an hour, moved multiple miles through traffic and people without once addressing the world with an active mind"

And its true, think about the things you do every day, try to pick out details specifically from today, unless something was completely out of the ordinary (car accident, small explosion, traveling through time) you never formed the memories, because you have been trained not to need them. If you fight that learned programming next time you wake up, actively commit things to memory, the colors of cars that pass, exactly how many cigarettes left in the pack, anything and everything really. Take mental pictures and file them away, while doing that create memory associations with everything. Do not take anything for granted, do yourself a favor, try to memorize license plates.

The more you take in the more you train your mind to do it subconsciously, eventually you will do just that you will without having to think about it you will be actively absorbing info, a heightened sense of awareness. Its all about actively using your mind, actively seeing things, humans used to, they used to have to, walking through the forest with a spear, their life depended on seeing that animal's print in the ground, the smell of a rotting carcass, the sound of branches moving because they were touched rather than because the wind blew them. We have very little danger in our lives these days compared to those, we dont have to wonder if there is a puma in the next tree ready to rip us to pieces and thus through generations we stopped doing it.

Again, your results may vary. But I guarantee you will see and experience infinitely more than you did the previous day, we are a society of sleepwalkers, mindlessly wandering through every day, never seeing anything, and certainly not remembering it.
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post #42 of 64
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At risk of receiving flame from the "I disagree with anything I dont understand" sect, I will pass along what I have learned, cant guarantee it will work for you, but I can say it has worked wonders for me. It started with a paragraph from a book I read years ago but didnt really understand it until much later, to paraphrase it.

"Your average man can go through most of his day without ever activating his mind and forming a detailed memory about what he has done unless something out of the ordinary happens, we test this by looking at ourselves as we get ready for work. We roll out of bed, drink our morning coffee, smoke our morning cigarette, we run the shower and hop in, pick out our clothes and walk out the door. We walk the same route to work every day, one foot in front of the next, deep in thought about bills, woman, and activities planned for later in the day, subconsciously we dodge cars, nod at people we make eye contact with and not once do we trip. Block after block we walk until we reach work, we sit down in our cubicle and clock in. At that moment if someone were to stop and talk to this man and ask him for details about his morning, he cannot give you any, he can tell you what he did, but his memory is deceiving, a mashup of all the memories he has of doing these things 1000 times previously, nothing stands out. He has been for all intents and purposes sleepwalking for an hour, moved multiple miles through traffic and people without once addressing the world with an active mind"

And its true, think about the things you do every day, try to pick out details specifically from today, unless something was completely out of the ordinary (car accident, small explosion, traveling through time) you never formed the memories, because you have been trained not to need them. If you fight that learned programming next time you wake up, actively commit things to memory, the colors of cars that pass, exactly how many cigarettes left in the pack, anything and everything really. Take mental pictures and file them away, while doing that create memory associations with everything. Do not take anything for granted, do yourself a favor, try to memorize license plates.

The more you take in the more you train your mind to do it subconsciously, eventually you will do just that you will without having to think about it you will be actively absorbing info, a heightened sense of awareness. Its all about actively using your mind, actively seeing things, humans used to, they used to have to, walking through the forest with a spear, their life depended on seeing that animal's print in the ground, the smell of a rotting carcass, the sound of branches moving because they were touched rather than because the wind blew them. We have very little danger in our lives these days compared to those, we dont have to wonder if there is a puma in the next tree ready to rip us to pieces and thus through generations we stopped doing it.

Again, your results may vary. But I guarantee you will see and experience infinitely more than you did the previous day, we are a society of sleepwalkers, mindlessly wandering through every day, never seeing anything, and certainly not remembering it.
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Thanks for the information, the part im struggling with is forming memory associations but I'll read up on that later on.

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Nothing new. A lot more people than you think have this "condition" or whatever words you decide to choose.
Yeah, I heard about this quite some time ago as well.

I think this is interesting, but the article's content and the responses people have to people with this condition are a bit over the top. It's not like someone worked and trained to have this capability--it's just something outside of the norm, like mental retardation or continual temporary amnesia. Just something in their brain that doesn't function like all of the other ones we've looked at. Sure, understanding it will help us better-understand how our brains function, but it's not like the people with this worked hard and trained to be able to do this. Okay, maybe that's not the point of the article though.
    
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Endless memory... a gift?

From my standpoint, I think not.

... I'm still trying to scrub some of the past from the attic.
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memory IS RAM!
    
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A witch! Burn her!
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At risk of receiving flame from the "I disagree with anything I dont understand" sect, I will pass along what I have learned...
<puts on flame suit and awaits the naysayers>
I will not flame, but I will ask what is the practical use of being able to recall details of every minute of our waking life? If it's to condition ourselves to be able to remember more things more easily, that's a valuable ability to have, but I fail to understand the practical use of being able to recall every mundane detail of a mundane experience--the very fact that its mundane would imply not worth our effort to try to remember. However, I understand that the point would not to be able to recall the mundane things specifically, but instead, gear yourself to remembering the more important things more easily--except that taking a bit of your excerpt, we typically don't have problems remembering the more important or remarkable things (aka less mundane) in the first place--which are typically the things we need to recall, so I still don't see the use in this technique or ability beyond how we typically learn or remember things.

On the other hand, with the knowledge that as a brain is more exercised it is less and less likely to suffer from neurological disorders as it gets older (like Alzheimers, dementia, and similar diseases), I would think this "memory training" to be a good practice to keep a mind healthy and not atrophied.
    
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At risk of receiving flame from the "I disagree with anything I dont understand" sect, I will pass along what I have learned, cant guarantee it will work for you, but I can say it has worked wonders for me. It started with a paragraph from a book I read years ago but didnt really understand it until much later, to paraphrase it.

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And its true, think about the things you do every day, try to pick out details specifically from today, unless something was completely out of the ordinary (car accident, small explosion, traveling through time) you never formed the memories, because you have been trained not to need them. If you fight that learned programming next time you wake up, actively commit things to memory, the colors of cars that pass, exactly how many cigarettes left in the pack, anything and everything really. Take mental pictures and file them away, while doing that create memory associations with everything. Do not take anything for granted, do yourself a favor, try to memorize license plates.

The more you take in the more you train your mind to do it subconsciously, eventually you will do just that you will without having to think about it you will be actively absorbing info, a heightened sense of awareness. Its all about actively using your mind, actively seeing things, humans used to, they used to have to, walking through the forest with a spear, their life depended on seeing that animal's print in the ground, the smell of a rotting carcass, the sound of branches moving because they were touched rather than because the wind blew them. We have very little danger in our lives these days compared to those, we dont have to wonder if there is a puma in the next tree ready to rip us to pieces and thus through generations we stopped doing it.

Again, your results may vary. But I guarantee you will see and experience infinitely more than you did the previous day, we are a society of sleepwalkers, mindlessly wandering through every day, never seeing anything, and certainly not remembering it.
<puts on flame suit and awaits the naysayers>
a good idea is to keep coming on to ocn and reading awesome thread topics like yours and sharing new ideas and being receptive to thoughts not your own.

PLUS REP FOR YOU FOR YOUR TECHNIQUE and ANALYSIS OF THE FAIL IN OUR SUPRESSED SOCIETY
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I will not flame, but I will ask what is the practical use of being able to recall details of every minute of our waking life? If it's to condition ourselves to be able to remember more things more easily, that's a valuable ability to have, but I fail to understand the practical use of being able to recall every mundane detail of a mundane experience--the very fact that its mundane would imply not worth our effort to try to remember. However, I understand that the point would not to be able to recall the mundane things specifically, but instead, gear yourself to remembering the more important things more easily--except that taking a bit of your excerpt, we typically don't have problems remembering the more important or remarkable things (aka less mundane) in the first place--which are typically the things we need to recall, so I still don't see the use in this technique or ability beyond how we typically learn or remember things.

On the other hand, with the knowledge that as a brain is more exercised it is less and less likely to suffer from neurological disorders as it gets older (like Alzheimers, dementia, and similar diseases), I would think this "memory training" to be a good practice to keep a mind healthy and not atrophied.
The mundane is the beginning stages, it IS the training. It is to teach yourself to pick things up, file them away, to actively participate in the activity of life and obtaining the memories. It depends on your storage capacity as well, some people are predisposed to being able to store vast amounts of knowledge, those people are going to get more benefit.

Personally, I always sit on the side that believe the more data the better (probably why I am an auditor by trade), just because I believe something occurring now is mundane or doesnt apply to what I am doing this very second, doesnt mean it wont come up in the future. I rarely if ever lose something, and when my wife asks where something is I can say "in the bedroom, on the right side of the bed under your red shirt", why? because I saw it and took a mental snapshot. It means never having to say "man I wish I had been paying attention". I am not recommending that for the rest of your life you memorize every license plate you see, but license plates are abundant and overlooked so they make a good piece to focus on when you are trying to teach yourself to pickup data.

In the beginning it wasn't that I set out to be some steel trap, I have always had a decent memory and it was failing because I was in the process of attempting to drink myself to death, drinking more than a 5th a day of vodka kept me pretty hazy. Problem was my wife, in at attempt to guilt me into getting sober would claim the next morning that I did things I knew I would never do, even when you drink you remember fragments and she would make grandiose claims that I didn't even have the slightest sliver of memory "You went into the city and went to a strip club", "really because I dont even recall being in a car". they were obvious BS, but I needed a way to remember small details to debunk what she was saying. It just so happened that when I did end up getting sober, that all those skills stayed. Its like running with a 50lbs weight on your back for years, you build up muscle and skills to compensate. If you drop the weight and run without it, the muscles and skills are still there.

I said from the beginning that not everyone would agree, and I appreciate you approaching it from a discussion standpoint rather than one of a loud disagreement. I understand skepticism, and I don't mind it, it has helped me, hopefully it will help someone else and the non believers can not believe. All good on all fronts

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Originally Posted by subliminally incorrect View Post
a good idea is to keep coming on to ocn and reading awesome thread topics like yours and sharing new ideas and being receptive to thoughts not your own.

PLUS REP FOR YOU FOR YOUR TECHNIQUE and ANALYSIS OF THE FAIL IN OUR SUPRESSED SOCIETY
Thanks!


*Edit* Feel free to PM me with any questions, I feel like I am Hijacking the thread
Edited by TheLastPriest - 12/23/10 at 10:01am
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