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I know you have other posts but this was most relevant. There is no photographic memory. You remember through association, explain below.
I appreciate your input on the subject, good info and good points, that being said to say "there is no" at any point is incredibly naive. Until we know everything about everything we can NEVER say with any kind of certainty that something does or doesnt exist on any level.

I would disagree and say I take mental snapshots all the time, for instance, if someone tells you a phone number to remember you are forced to make a memory association to commit it to memory. If you see a phone number written down, you can make a memory association, or you can look at it and commit the details to memory, like a jpeg.

I can appreciate how far science has come in the study of the mind, but they haven't come nearly far enough for us to rely on them to tell us what we are capable of.
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I appreciate your input on the subject, good info and good points, that being said to say "there is no" at any point is incredibly naive. Until we know everything about everything we can NEVER say with any kind of certainty that something does or doesnt exist on any level.

I would disagree and say I take mental snapshots all the time, for instance, if someone tells you a phone number to remember you are forced to make a memory association to commit it to memory. If you see a phone number written down, you can make a memory association, or you can look at it and commit the details to memory, like a jpeg.

I can appreciate how far science has come in the study of the mind, but they haven't come nearly far enough for us to rely on them to tell us what we are capable of.
I'm sure some of the best minds could tear your brain apart. There have been people who go into these experiments, like allan alda, knowing they were going to be deceived and still couldn't tell it apart. We aren't wired to know things in exacts, more so we are wired to know what we believe. I'm sure you can't remember everything like a savant, and probably not even close to these people. Most people can recall a large portion of their life to a certain extent, thing is I'm betting you can't tell me what you were doing when you were 15. Maybe you can remember general things, certain days, but nothing like this article. For example, yesterday how many times did you use the restroom? Did you wash your hands every time? You don't know, it wasn't important. More so, it's not that it's unimportant but our brains remove everything that it deems unnecessary.

Take the idea of change blindness, the idea that people don't actually notice major changes around them. It's because most people aren't very perceptive. We get used to things a certain way so our brains don't only not record things, but they fill in the blanks so well that consciously we don't even know.

Proof? Find the blind spot in one of your eyes, you have to cover up one to do this but it's possible. The thing is, you can't actually see the hole, it's a blur of color and blends in so well you won't notice it until something major disappears.

You may think you know the details but the truth is you can't ever be sure unless you are tested. You think you remember things very clearly but honestly it's just because your conscious wants to believe so. I don't like to sound like an ass but it's true, at least as far as any science tells us.
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I wrote a massive response, but I found after reading it a few times it went against my own point of arguing about this. I have something that works for me, the non believers can continue on their path and live in their world, with their beliefs.

Just remember that science fact is only fact until we make the next discovery, we only "know" to be true what we know at that point. Remember the earth was flat, it was also the center of the universe, the sound barrier could not be broken and an atomic weapon detonation would ignite the atmosphere destroying all life on earth. Savants are still unexplained by science, there are theory's but no fact.
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I wrote a massive response, but I found after reading it a few times it went against my own point of arguing about this. I have something that works for me, the non believers can continue on their path and live in their world, with their beliefs.

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I actually believe that we can remember most things, at least most general things. The only problem is there are some hiccups in how we store memory which can cause us to believe something that may not be true. Such as change blindness, how a major thing can change and people don't even know. Usually this is done by having you interact with a person, a distraction, and another person switches. It's like switching a pencil with a different colored pencil, though slightly more drastic.

I'm not saying you don't remember a lot. I personally think people have the ability to remember things very well, it's just we have some major "design" flaws.
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