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What exactly is the definition of "like Linux"? I don't like some of the changes that Ubuntu includes over the vanilla code, but the Linux community prides itself on choice and flexibility, so if anything Ubuntu fits that well because it does things different to everyone else. Strictly speaking Slackware is the only distro that is truly "like Linux" because it is the only distro (that I know of anyway) which doesn't patch anything. Everyone else thinks they know better.
Right now, I think it's fine, but if they fork from everyone else (Eg. What if most other distros don't go to Wayland, but Ubuntu does?) in major things, that could cause confusion from people who start on Ubuntu or Mint's non-debian version and want to try Fedora, Arch, Slackware, etc.
    
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I'd like to believe that the main reason is that Linux can be slimmed down much more than Windows or OS X could and is perfect for terminals for that reason (For example, DSL runs purely from the RAM, eliminating the cost of a HDD), but yeah, it's probably costs.
Ever heard of XPe? WES? I work in a position where I talk about / recomend thin clients 'n such and by far windows is desired for the OS on the thin clients. Who knows though haha.
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Ever heard of XPe? WES? I work in a position where I talk about / recomend thin clients 'n such and by far windows is desired for the OS on the thin clients. Who knows though haha.
Linux can be cut down waaaay more than Windows though, plus you can actually use a recent version of it. (2011 will change that though, it's based on 7 and not XP)
    
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Right now, I think it's fine, but if they fork from everyone else (Eg. What if most other distros don't go to Wayland, but Ubuntu does?) in major things, that could cause confusion from people who start on Ubuntu or Mint's non-debian version and want to try Fedora, Arch, Slackware, etc.
Hopefully by then they have enough knowledge to be able to adjust. You don't go from XP to Vista/Win 7 without some relearning phase. It's the same here.
    
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Hopefully by then they have enough knowledge to be able to adjust. You don't go from XP to Vista/Win 7 without some relearning phase. It's the same here.
It really depends how much they change from most other distros, while for the current future we can see it won't be too different, I can see them changing a lot until it barely resembles Linux.
    
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Well then, it would just be another OS. Can't say there's any problem with that. We already have heaps, might as well have another.
    
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post #37 of 51
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Right now, I think it's fine, but if they fork from everyone else (Eg. What if most other distros don't go to Wayland, but Ubuntu does?) in major things, that could cause confusion from people who start on Ubuntu or Mint's non-debian version and want to try Fedora, Arch, Slackware, etc.
I have only heard great things about wayland. Why would other distros not move to it, even if it takes longer?
    
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The Cloud won't possible be able to replace desktop PC's. Not even the Internet in Korea and Japan is fast enough (latency and bandwidth) to be able to transfer data fast enough to be able to provide a smooth working environment. Northern America and Europe's connections are so horrid it'd be ridiculous to even imagine the cloud ever going anywhere but nowhere, especially with ISP's throttling and capping Internet. But ISP's want the cloud to become standard and mainstream, they can then force you to sell your entire lineage into slavery just so you can play a game you will literally have to rent.

Do I even need to mention that the Western world is roughly only 20% of the world, and that the rest of the 80% just don't care about the cloud? If Windows dies and Linux finally take over everyone here will just as easily switch over, without caring and Linux will just get the support it needs. Hopefully, a new OS will be made that is as easy to use as Windows but open source.

So, in short, the Cloud is still born and it's not odd that Linux rules, as it was made for servers and not desktop machines, or the average user.
Yes, I agree with the points about bandwidth and speed - since these are very important factors. But I don't see that it is stillborn. For instance, the current connection that most people have is insufficient for YouTube video, and the benchmark seems to be "it's good enough if it doesn't stutter and stall every two seconds" rather than "I can actually see a clear picture that hasn't been bit blittered beyond all belief".

The places I see Cloud Computing making inroads are: Corporates, that have invested in proper, modern networking, with a fiber optic backbone and managed switches, for running applications off of a Citrix server (or equivalent); and casual users, that have only infrequent use of light weight applications for which the purchase of a full package would be cost prohibitive. I don't see it as a solution for people that are using heavy tasks, or use lightwieght tasks frequently, or for people that can't obtain sufficient bandwidth (both in a high enough cap and without undue throttling).

Corporations are already working towards the first point, large corporations are running solutions like Citrix and have thin clients - all to reduce the cost of IT, and to impose control on the corporate machines.

Casual users already have stuff like Google Docs and Spreadsheets, and this could entirely be exploited even more, with a few more essentials thrown in, and moving away from slow Javascripts where possible.

However, our infrastructure, and the predatory nature of our ISPs, will ensure that places like Korea, Japan, and Rwanda will overhaul us because they make affordable, high speed access important as the next stage of "development" - while good old Canada and the USA flounder in the Age of Rust, waiting for that next "get rich quick" scheme - schemes that fails as bad as GM did after the Auto industry abused itself for thirty years and handed that business over to the Japanese and Koreans...
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I have only heard great things about wayland. Why would other distros not move to it, even if it takes longer?
I mean it as an example, if other distros don't move to it or there's something else like that (Think like a new sound library, etc) then Ubuntu could end up being too different from other Linux distros to really be Linux, it may be another OS but they'll have to change their slogan.

And iirc, nVidia said they won't make Wayland drivers.
    
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I mean it as an example, if other distros don't move to it or there's something else like that (Think like a new sound library, etc) then Ubuntu could end up being too different from other Linux distros to really be Linux, it may be another OS but they'll have to change their slogan.

And iirc, nVidia said they won't make Wayland drivers.

Fedora is going to offer Wayland as well. Neither AMD or nvidia support Wayland since nobody uses it now. Once it gets a higher adoption figure then they won't have any other choice than to support it.
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