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Well that link you gave, shows that desktop folder....lost my interest right away.
Like I said, I want my desktop to be my desktop, not some folder there.
1. Right click desktop and unlock widgets.
2. Right click desktop and select Desktop Settings
3. View Layout: change it to Folder View

Hit Big X to close Desktop. Now you can drag & drop files like on Windows desktop.
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Linus said he uses KDE because GNOME treats the user like a retarded person.

That's true. KDE let's you set up everything you want.
Gnome doesn't, it comes already preset. But if you wan't to mess with stuff you are a retarded, therefore you can't, so gnome won't let you change anything, easily.

By the way, to change that folder activity view, that's all you had to do.. configure it.. there are many options, including the traditional desktop with icons, but KDE let's you configure anything, mix everything you want there and anywhere else, easily, because it knows that you are not stupid and may want something else other than what's there by default
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Linus said he uses KDE because GNOME treats the user like a retarded person.

That's true. KDE let's you set up everything you want.
Gnome doesn't, it comes already preset. But if you wan't to mess with stuff you are a retarded, therefore you can't, so gnome won't let you change anything, easily.

By the way, to change that folder activity view, that's all you had to do.. configure it.. there are many options, including the traditional desktop with icons, but KDE let's you configure anything, mix everything you want there and anywhere else, easily, because it knows that you are not stupid and may want something else other than what's there by default
You might want to read this from us Retarded type people...

Linus Torvalds ditches KDE 4 for GNOME
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You might want to read this from us Retarded type people...

Linus Torvalds ditches KDE 4 for GNOME
That was in Jan of 2009 lol. Almost 2 years ago.
KDE 4 was in its infancy and very buggy.

None said that GNOME users are retarded. I think what Linus meant is that GNOME was made for idiots.
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Uh guys...can we not start a DE war? Let's just stick to the idea that some like chocolate and others like vanilla and some weirdos like strawberry.

Find what works for you and makes you happy and live and let die. (And yes I used that many "ands" ).
     
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I like the look of GNOME and if I didn't then I would mess with KDE. So besides starting a war then maybe just accept that some people actually just like the look and don't care too much for anything else.

No one should say that GNOME sucks or KDE sucks. They are both great so leave it at that
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Uh guys...can we not start a DE war? Let's just stick to the idea that some like chocolate and others like vanilla and some weirdos like strawberry.
Find what works for you and makes you happy and live and let die. (And yes I used that many "ands" ).
I agree, Rookie, there is no need for a DE war but that is not to say that we should settle with an impasse all the time if we stick to the truth. It would be as if I stated that KIas or Geos were cheaply made cars and that it was smarter to buy a Volvo in the long run and cited Blue Book values over time to show that Volvos hold their value longer and in general have fewer breakdowns. Then some KIa owner who loves his car takes offense that I called his car "cheap".

In this example the truth would be that I did not say that only cheap people drive despicable KIas but that could easily be how it could be interpreted by a fan, happy that his car cost little and runs plenty well enough. The fact remains that compared to other cars, Kias are in fact cheaper and don;t last as long as say Volvos or Mercedes or any other brand built up ro a standard and not down to a price point.

This does not imply that anyone who buys and likes a Kia (or whatever cheaper car you wish) is a fool or a peasant or any other derogatory term. It may have been practical under stressed financial condition. However, it does indeed imply that it might be worthwhile to consider saving up or taking a deeper initial financial plunge as a more reliable car that holds it's value may actually save one money in the long run as well as be more likely to not leave you stranded or paying tow charges.

I apologize for having to resort to a long car analogy but it was the only way I could take some of the emotion out so the point could be made. The developers of Gnome themselves design Gnome to be easier for (shall we say) newcomers to do basic things without breaking it. By definition this means that it cannot also be deep and powerful. A thing cannot be both black and white, cheap and finely crafted, or easy and deep at the same time. To be worth anything it must be true to a design principle.

I used to have a sign at my shop that read:

1) Low Prices
2) Fast Completion
3) High Quality

Pick two.


You can't have it all. KDE is deeper and more powerful which means it is also bigger and slower by comparison, and a little harder to get to know. Having used them all extensively, it is my opinion that it is worth the effort and ram footprint to get the added power and configurability.


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You might want to read this from us Retarded type people...
<snip>
I don't think you are retarded. I simply think you are new and easily scared that you might break something. WE are all like that with things with which we aren't familiar and feel heavily invested. That said, if you see a popup menu with an "X" on it, at the very least it would behoove you to RTFM to see what it does. If you are ever so slightly more adventurous or knowledgeable and really hate a desktop item anyway, what did you really stand to lose by clicking the "X"? Did you really suppose the developers put an "X" there to nuke your whole system?

Again sorry for the length but I think this is really important because I see it so much here. People need to feel free to take a few calculated risks, to play around, to learn what is possible if they ever hope to become proficient. Either build a test bed you don't care about or do regular backups to protect your investment and have at it.
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I agree, Rookie, there is no need for a DE war...

You can't have it all. KDE is deeper and more powerful which means it is also bigger and slower by comparison, and a little harder to get to know. Having used them all extensively, it is my opinion that it is worth the effort and ram footprint to get the added power and configurability.




I don't think you are retarded. I simply think you are new and easily scared that you might break something. WE are all like that with things with which we aren't familiar and feel heavily invested. That said, if you see a popup menu with an "X" on it, at the very least it would behoove you to RTFM to see what it does. If you are ever so slightly more adventurous or knowledgeable and really hate a desktop item anyway, what did you really stand to lose by clicking the "X"? Did you really suppose the developers put an "X" there to nuke your whole system?

Again sorry for the length but I think this is really important because I see it so much here. People need to feel free to take a few calculated risks, to play around, to learn what is possible if they ever hope to become proficient. Either build a test bed you don't care about or do regular backups to protect your investment and have at it.

I agree on the not having the DE war, But I am not real new and I am sure not scared of "breaking it" lol.

You are certainly right about KDE being slow.

And it has what us Web Developers call "Mystery Navigation"
I like being able to right click on my desktop, and go down to "Change Desktop Background"
Rather than go to some unmarked mystery icon in the upper right hand corner, then go to screen activity, and so on and so on.

And the Kpackagekit, hmm you would think that it would at least be alphabetized.
Or doing a search for something and getting a result.
I saw all these language packs for Thunderbird, but no Thunderbird.
And even doing a search, text and description type, it wouldn't even come up with those Thunderbird language packs that it had listed. That's pretty bad.

I install many things by CLI, which is fine. Sometimes I prefer it that way.

Let's see, also in setting Default Programs, it gives you little options.
The quickest way to a point is in a straight line.
Time is money, and it is pointless to have to go through many many steps to get to an area.
Kind of like in MS cert training courses, to get to disk management they have you go Start/Control Panel/Administrative Tools/Computer management/Disk Management
When we all know the way to do it is to Right click on Computer/My Computer and go down to Manage.

I'm sure KDE is fine for some, but for ME, I like to get to a place quick to get the job done.

Years ago I was paid to do "Time and Motion" studies for companies to get the best results for the companies and the workers, by doing the smallest physical movement to get the job done in the fewest steps.
KDE would not have passed the study, I would be looking at other ways to save time and money.

This is my wall-o-text
KDE for you, Gnome for me, and we are all happy
( I will probably start writing my own distro derivative soon anyway )
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Just a few counter points


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I agree on the not having the DE war, But I am not real new and I am sure not scared of "breaking it" lol.
Then why wouldn't you click the rather obvious "X" to kill the Desktop folder?

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You are certainly right about KDE being slow.
I didn;t say it was slow since that is relative to vith hardware and software. It is simply slower than Gnome but a cost worth the dividends given even 1G RAM..


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And it has what us Web Developers call "Mystery Navigation"
I like being able to right click on my desktop, and go down to "Change Desktop Background"
Rather than go to some unmarked mystery icon in the upper right hand corner, then go to screen activity, and so on and so on.
What version were you using? When I Rt Clk on my KDE Desktop I get a menu that has "Desktop Settings" right there for the basics. The very first Tab of the Kicker launcher (The Start button if you will) is Favorites which is initially "seeded" with Web Browser, File Manager, and System Settings - the equivalent of Control Panel but better organized, more complete, and with Search function as well as mousover contents popups to locate, say, Icons or User Accounts, whatever, oh an of course even deeper Desktop and Application settings.


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And the Kpackagekit, hmm you would think that it would at least be alphabetized.
Or doing a search for something and getting a result.
I saw all these language packs for Thunderbird, but no Thunderbird.
And even doing a search, text and description type, it wouldn't even come up with those Thunderbird language packs that it had listed. That's pretty bad.

I install many things by CLI, which is fine. Sometimes I prefer it that way.
I don't use managed installs so I don't know much about KPackageKit other than it is also a pet peeve of mine since it essentially duplicates what Synaptic and others do and ruined the only function that the older v3 Kpackage offered that I love. KPackage displats not only installed packages in alphabetical order but also has a tab for all installed files associated with every package and their complete paths. So it is trivial to locate the location of the executable and all libraries as well as version numbers and symlinks. I simply installed KDE3 Compat package and continue to use KPackage v3. I must say though that this ticked me off at first like it did Linus, because the changes were so sweeping from v3. I stuck it out and have been rewarded.


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Let's see, also in setting Default Programs, it gives you little options.
Whether directly from the included and highly organized Kicker menues or from the Kicker search all one has to do is Rt Click on any menuitem and choose "Add to Favorites" or "Add to Desktop", "Add to Panel", or "Remove" from any location.

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The quickest way to a point is in a straight line.
Time is money, and it is pointless to have to go through many many steps to get to an area.Kind of like in MS cert training courses, to get to disk management they have you go Start/Control Panel/Administrative Tools/Computer management/Disk Management
When we all know the way to do it is to Right click on Computer/My Computer and go down to Manage.
This is merely training whether formal or just what one is used to, but if you didn't bother to learn a two wheeler, you'd still ride a tricycle. When all you have is nails everything starts looking like a hammer.


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I'm sure KDE is fine for some, but for ME, I like to get to a place quick to get the job done.
Years ago I was paid to do "Time and Motion" studies for companies to get the best results for the companies and the workers, by doing the smallest physical movement to get the job done in the fewest steps.
KDE would not have passed the study, I would be looking at other ways to save time and money.
Again, training. It's why some 54% of workspace desktops and workstations are still XP even though it looks like 7 is superior. Training takes time and as you stated, that = money.

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This is my wall-o-text
KDE for you, Gnome for me, and we are all happy
( I will probably start writing my own distro derivative soon anyway )
Sweet! Happy New Year.
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Here's a screenie of Slackware Current running KDE 4.6 pre-release with version 3.6 KPackage running and showing alphabetically arranged packages as well as full-path file list. In the background is FireFox 4.0 beta 8 with BlackFox theme installed. Also the Rt-Clk on Desktop menu is shown with available actions.


Edited by enorbet2 - 12/25/10 at 1:57pm
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