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No need to upgrade to 560 , just wait until 670 (maybe next year? or 2?) 470 is enough to last for 2years.

Nvidia Kepler (600 series maybe?) should be out in 1 1/2 year or 2 yrs, which is like 2.7x faster then Fermi. i wouldn't upgrade to 500 series when Kepler soo close away.. no worth extra $ lol
Keep in mind that this is for their premium workstation cards and that graph really doesn't guarantee anything on the consumer level graphics cards. They are talking about cuda power, which doesn't necessarily equal gaming power.

Also, I agree, the 560 isn't worth it, but i'd say the 580 or even the 570 would be a decent upgrade. Less heat, more powerful, and more power efficient, the 5xx series is definitely fermi as it should have been, i'm happy that I skipped the 4xx series to be honest.
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when it comes to technology, the more you wait, the more you get for your money.
the problem is that we like instant satisfaction.
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when it comes to technology, the more you wait, the more you get for your money.
the problem is that we like instant satisfaction.
or "need" at a specific time.
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Until someone does a clock for clock comparison (say, a GTX 460 1GB@800 core/1000 memory/1600 shader vs GTX 560 @ same settings) I'm not buying into this performance increase. GTX 460s are already insanely overclockable, use little power, run cool and quiet, are dropping in price week by week and will cost at least 30% less compared to the GTX 560 at launch when it does come out.

And I really don't get the people who say they want to "upgrade" to this from 2 460s? Why the hell would you want to do that, considering GTX 460s in SLI will run any game maxed out @ 1080p, except maybe Metro 2033 with highest level of AA?

My prediction is it will be a 5% performance increase at best from a 460 to a 560.
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Until someone does a clock for clock comparison (say, a GTX 460 1GB@800 core/1000 memory/1600 shader vs GTX 560 @ same settings) I'm not buying into this performance increase. GTX 460s are already insanely overclockable, use little power, run cool and quiet, are dropping in price week by week and will cost at least 30% less compared to the GTX 560 at launch when it does come out.

And I really don't get the people who say they want to "upgrade" to this from 2 460s? Why the hell would you want to do that, considering GTX 460s in SLI will run any game maxed out @ 1080p, except maybe Metro 2033 with highest level of AA?

My prediction is it will be a 5% performance increase at best from a 460 to a 560.
5%

Can't it be anyway near the improvement from 470 to 570?
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5%

Can't it be anyway near the improvement from 470 to 570?
The 560 will have 48 extra cores, I think 5% is a bit pessimistic.
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No need to upgrade to 560 , just wait until 670 (maybe next year? or 2?) 470 is enough to last for 2years.

Nvidia Kepler (600 series maybe?) should be out in 1 1/2 year or 2 yrs, which is like 2.7x faster then Fermi. i wouldn't upgrade to 500 series when Kepler soo close away.. no worth extra $ lol
My GTX280 can still play everything at 1080p and I can't see it struggling for at least until the new consoles come out and that came out in 2008. With the 470 you get DX11 so it will last you even better than mine your talking 2013/14 before it will actually struggle. My mate's 9800GT on a 720p TV is still going strong!!

My GTX280 can play metro on DX10 High.. Compared to DX11 V-high it does not even look that different. Not worth the mega £££'s you'd have to spend. Tessilation in games is hardly even used and when it is used it KILLS frame rate. Until games advance I just can't see the point in getting so ahead of the game with Uber killer GPU's. I.e. 580 and 6970's.

That being said.. i'm feeling a pull towards this 560.. If its around £160 i'll get one. If crysis 2 and the Witcher 2 will benefit from DX11. If not I wont bother.
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That being said.. i'm feeling a pull towards this 560.. If its around £160 i'll get one. If crysis 2 and the Witcher 2 will benefit from DX11. If not I wont bother.
Yeah, if it's pricing goes the same as the 460, they'll have another winner on their hands.

Seeing as the 460 competed with the 470 (except at very high res due to memory and bus width) when overclocked to 800-ish on the core, it's not unreasonable to say that at stock (seeing as it's core clock is high) and with the added Shaders, that this will sit with and edge over the 470 on nowadays "standardised" resolution, and only fall level with and lower than when over 1200p or high tessellation gaming.

The increase of the Core 216 260 over it's 192 version averaged 7% at 1200p+ and 10%+ around 1080p+ at the same reference clock speed.

Given this, with an addition 48 Shaders over the 460 it's like comparing the 260 192sp against the 275, there was like 12-15% increase there at ref clocks at 1080-1200p, so the same could easily be said about the increase in power over the 460 in this case too.

Depending on how well the 560's OC, you could see slightly further increases if they're able to do closer to 1Ghz than the 460.

Either way, the 560 looks to be a good minimal upgrade from GTX 260/275/280 if it retains the 460's prices, especially when you consider that DX11 puts less of a strain on the GPU than DX10 does, and comes with increased visual experiences to boot.
285's it won't be much of an upgrade from, other than heat/TDP and DX11 so it's down to personal preferences really.

It all depends on how well Overclocks. We'll soon see.

Maybe they'll release a 565 before Summer that'll be even better.
 
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5%

Can't it be anyway near the improvement from 470 to 570?
There's a world of difference between them in heat and noise output at least (performance comparisons aside), which is why most people pay the premium for one. A GTX 460 is already as quiet/cool running as it could possibly be with an array of different coolers (aftermarket or stock) so it puzzles me why Nvidia would try and alienate people into thinking that the 400 series cards are somewhat inferior when they're in fact much better right now in the bang-for-buck department and when retailers still have so many of them in stock.
    
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Yeah, if it's pricing goes the same as the 460, they'll have another winner on their hands.

Seeing as the 460 competed with the 470 (except at very high res due to memory and bus width) when overclocked to 800-ish on the core, it's not unreasonable to say that at stock (seeing as it's core clock is high) and with the added Shaders, that this will sit with and edge over the 470 on nowadays "standardised" resolution, and only fall level with and lower than when over 1200p or high tessellation gaming.

The increase of the Core 216 260 over it's 192 version averaged 7% at 1200p+ and 10%+ around 1080p+ at the same reference clock speed.

Given this, with an addition 48 Shaders over the 460 it's like comparing the 260 192sp against the 275, there was like 12-15% increase there at ref clocks at 1080-1200p, so the same could easily be said about the increase in power over the 460 in this case too.

Depending on how well the 560's OC, you could see slightly further increases if they're able to do closer to 1Ghz than the 460.

Either way, the 560 looks to be a good minimal upgrade from GTX 260/275/280 if it retains the 460's prices, especially when you consider that DX11 puts less of a strain on the GPU than DX10 does, and comes with increased visual experiences to boot.
285's it won't be much of an upgrade from, other than heat/TDP and DX11 so it's down to personal preferences really.

It all depends on how well Overclocks. We'll soon see.

Maybe they'll release a 565 before Summer that'll be even better.

It won't. Not the current GTX 460 prices anyway.

And I still see this as a worthless upgrade from any 46X and higher GPU, since the only thing stopping 460s performance-wise is the lack of extra memory at higher resolutions, which the 560 ain't gonna fix.

Also there was an increase in number of texture units from 192 to 216 GTX 260, which is what's mostly responsible for the performance increase between them, and as far as I'm aware, there's not going to be any more texture units/ROPs on the 560, correct me if I'm wrong.
    
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