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I didn't skip your post, check out my posts.

I think that your post may have a lot of validity to what's going on here.

But, how do we "prove it"? Where are you getting that info from?

Plus, in professional applications, the i7's still do outperform their AMD counterparts, and I highly doubt that software developers also optimized for Intel, and downclock AMD. ( I still find this hard to believe )
I'll see about digging it up but I thought everyone knew about it. I'm probably not explaining it correctly but essentially it's not that the devs are doing it intentionally. They just use Intel's library/compiler which creates programs that favor Intel chips by degrading performance when they detect AMD or VIA cpu's.

Link to a google search on the issue:
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...AMD+chips+down

And here's the first source (not sure if it's reputable):
http://www.electronicsweekly.com/blo...s-to-slow.html

The reason I know of it is because another member on here had links to this stuff in his sig. Trying to remember who though.
     
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Well one thing is certain there are a lot of different reviews out there some of them completely contradictory to each other and they're obviously not all right. In the world of mutli-billion dollar multi-national companies the stakes are incredibly high and they will stop at nothing to try to gain an advantage over their competitors. Very little would surprise me these days. I work in the finance sector and it is 100% cut-throat.
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I'm not sure why people are still trying to say that AMD & Intel chips are equal, when clearly they are not, and that is the source of the OP's frustration here.

If you guys knew more history of the OP, he loved AMD dearly and stuck up for AMD in several threads, and now is disappointed in the performance from what is supposed to be one of their best chips. He didn't start this thread as "flame bait" or anything.

Honestly, I'd be upset too.

I think that maybe your mobo and ram are holding you back a bit, and unless we get more numbers from more people we won't know for sure, there's gotta be more to the story.

I think I need to clarify, slightly.

I still love AMD, I love my chip. I am however slightly disappointed in it's single (low core usage) thread performance.

Clearly I have nothing really to itch about. I spent about $545 for the ram/cpu/mobo/gpu, I'm not excepting amazing results.

When I bench Mafia II the game runs liquid smooth for me throughout, even when the fps drop down into the 50's it still smooth as silk.

In a more gpu focused benchmark (single threaded) it's clear my cpu is slightly bottlenecking more than the i7 does at @ 4GHz.

I have to question the Mafia II Benchmark, and the padding on FPS you got when things weren't really being rendered, and how much that affected the overall average score. I've long felt that the i7 benchmarks were padded by over 60 fps "boosts" as I like to call them, when the added fps don't really matter.

The only way to really get at this is to bench a game that is hard on our GTX 470's, something we can't walk though and get 200 fps, or constant 80 fps though the testing. What we really need is a latest gen, or next gen game like Metro 2033 - only with a built in benchmark.

In the end however, all that really matters is what the end result looks like to the user viewing the screen. I've seen games running at 52 fps look terrible, and I've seen the same game running at 28 fps look smooth. So fps don't always tell the entire story.

The only thing that really, really irks me is that while the x6 was a really good deal, the i7 while more expensive, has a few more years on it than the x6 from AMD. When 2011 arrives and the new chips are coming out it's going to be a lot harder for me to not upgrade simply because the performance boost available for me at that time will be much greater than what you'll see with an i7. Bottom line for me is that this x6 is good enough for me now, but when the newer, bigger, stronger, faster gpus come out I'm not going to be is as good of a spot that I'm currently in. The only thing that will keep the x6 alive well into 2011 is if consoles die, or ports/games start utilizing more of the cores/threads.
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No, mine was off also.

AMD is just that bad.
how do i get the benchmark? ill run it and see if ddr3 with more mhz makes a difference.
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The only thing that will keep the x6 alive well into 2011 is if consoles die, or ports/games start utilizing more of the cores/threads.
amen to that!
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how do i get the benchmark? ill run it and see if ddr3 with more mhz makes a difference.
Steam has the demo, which has the built in benchmark.
    
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Steam has the demo, which has the built in benchmark.
k. iill do it ans post it in a bit buddy. cheer up..its not hte end of the world. =p where was yoru gtx clocked at ballathefeared?
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k. iill do it ans post it in a bit buddy. cheer up..its not hte end of the world. =p where was yoru gtx clocked at ballathefeared?
61.1 fps average @ 800/1600/1800

I'm not mad, it destroys consoles, and thats all that really matters >.>

Lucky for me this gtx 470 is decent so I can reach some decent scores in the more gpu intensive tests via cheating with 900 core on air
    
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The only thing that really, really irks me is that while the x6 was a really good deal, the i7 while more expensive, has a few more years on it than the x6 from AMD. When 2011 arrives and the new chips are coming out it's going to be a lot harder for me to not upgrade simply because the performance boost available for me at that time will be much greater than what you'll see with an i7. Bottom line for me is that this x6 is good enough for me now, but when the newer, bigger, stronger, faster gpus come out I'm not going to be is as good of a spot that I'm currently in. The only thing that will keep the x6 alive well into 2011 is if consoles die, or ports/games start utilizing more of the cores/threads.
I've been on a dual core laptop for better than a year gaming and once I moved from windows for most of my uses to Linux I realized just how long hardware can last. And what I mean by that is that it can last a long time with the proper software.

Also, I'm getting a Athlon 640 paired with a GTX275 and at 1920x1080 in the games that I own the i7s don't look like they're worth 200 more when they add only 2-8 FPS.
     
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They are catching up, before Phenom II they were two generation behind in performance, now they are only one.

I remember the good old days, when everybody but video encoders were getting Athlons. Maybe Bulldozer will see those heady days come again, and maybe AMD can actually get some market share out of it this time.
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