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I have a budget of roughly $600(a little less) for a mobo and cpu and I was wondering if with that budget, would an i7 950 with a rampage 3 formula mobo be better then the i7-2600 or 2600K with a a cheaper mobo? I haven't seen any specs of any other mobos for sandy bridge besides the asus p8p67 series but I'm assuming there may be more(possibly cheaper) as we get closer to sandy bridge release date.
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With $600 you can afford to go either way. 1366 system could be cheaper. Personally, I could get a 950 for $200 + a good 1366 board for around $250 for $450 total. The i7-2600k + Gigabyte P67A-UD7 board I want, on the other hand, will probably run me about $600-ish. BUT, I'm working my way towards a quiet and faster PC.

Anyway, to answer your question... and we'll see if I don't get flamed... no, the i7-950 asus rampage III combo will not be better than Sandy Bridge. Sandy Bridge will be faster than i7-950 clock for clock, it will clock higher, and it will put out alot less heat. So no watercooling system or bulky air coolers (see NH-D14) will be necessary to see it through its' overclocking abilities. I, for one, would rather spend my money on new PC gear (SSD, GPU, etc) than cooling. The i7-9xx systems are great, but I don't really like the excessive cooling necessary to push them beyond 4.0 GHz.

For $600, you should easily be able to build a high-end Sandy Bridge system. I would look at i5-2500k and Gigabyte P67A-UD5 mobo. That will probably run you about $450 to $500 total. If you really want, you could upgrade to the i7-2600k and be right at about $600, maybe a little more.

As far as 1366 vs 1155, there's really only two arguments I know of in favor of 1366. I hope I get flamed on both these arguments as I really want to see what people have to say - especially on the second argument. That's right, I said it, please flame me!

1. 1366 supports triple channel memory.

I think everybody knows that triple channel memory doesn't provide any noticeable benefits for the majority of applications. This argument is quickly written off unless you spend lots of time in those applications.

2. 1366 has 36 PCI lanes compared to 1155's 20.

As for PCI lanes... the PCI lanes on 1155 have twice the bandwidth as those on 1366. What will be the combined effect of fewer lanes but double bandwidth??? I have no clue... and I don't know how close we are to reaching the bandwidth limit of current PCI lanes (somebody step in and educate us here). I think I've read the new nVidia 5xx series are getting close. If this is true, then I imagine bandwidth limits of 1366 systems will become a large issue when nVidia releases the new Kepler GPUs (the next step towards a quiet PC for me). If you only plan to run a single graphics card, then I think this whole argument is moot. Personally, I can't afford two high end cards anyway.

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Wait for SB to come out, only to observe the price of the 950. Then buy the 950.
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there is a lot about Gigabyte mOBOs, i prefer them for X58 instead of rampage, their P67 lineup is very nice. i did a review on both in my sig. i would say go sandybridge as the CPU would be 300 bucks but nice OCing mobo would be like 200, for X58 you get a nice CPU automatic SLI support, cpu 200 and nice mobo 300.
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With $600 you can afford to go either way. 1366 system could be cheaper. Personally, I could get a 950 for $200 + a good 1366 board for around $250 for $450 total. The i7-2600k + Gigabyte P67A-UD7 board I want, on the other hand, will probably run me about $600-ish. BUT, I'm working my way towards a quiet and faster PC.

Anyway, to answer your question... and we'll see if I don't get flamed... no, the i7-950 asus rampage III combo will not be better than Sandy Bridge. Sandy Bridge will be faster than i7-950 clock for clock, it will clock higher, and it will put out alot less heat. So no watercooling system or bulky air coolers (see NH-D14) will be necessary to see it through its' overclocking abilities. I, for one, would rather spend my money on new PC gear (SSD, GPU, etc) than cooling. The i7-9xx systems are great, but I don't really like the excessive cooling necessary to push them beyond 4.0 GHz.

For $600, you should easily be able to build a high-end Sandy Bridge system. I would look at i5-2500k and Gigabyte P67A-UD5 mobo. That will probably run you about $450 to $500 total. If you really want, you could upgrade to the i7-2600k and be right at about $600, maybe a little more.

As far as 1366 vs 1155, there's really only two arguments I know of in favor of 1366. I hope I get flamed on both these arguments as I really want to see what people have to say - especially on the second argument. That's right, I said it, please flame me!

1. 1366 supports triple channel memory.

I think everybody knows that triple channel memory doesn't provide any noticeable benefits for the majority of applications. This argument is quickly written off unless you spend lots of time in those applications.

2. 1366 has 36 PCI lanes compared to 1155's 20.

As for PCI lanes... the PCI lanes on 1155 have twice the bandwidth as those on 1366. What will be the combined effect of fewer lanes but double bandwidth??? I have no clue... and I don't know how close we are to reaching the bandwidth limit of current PCI lanes (somebody step in and educate us here). I think I've read the new nVidia 5xx series are getting close. If this is true, then I imagine bandwidth limits of 1366 systems will become a large issue when nVidia releases the new Kepler GPUs (the next step towards a quiet PC for me). If you only plan to run a single graphics card, then I think this whole argument is moot. Personally, I can't afford two high end cards anyway.

P.S. welcome to the forums!
Tri Channel offers no big gains over Dual Channel and the mid and high P67 boards will have a NF200 chip.

I see no reason to even waste money on a 1366 setup anymore.

SB Offers :

32nm > 45nm
95W TDP > 130W TDP
Lower Power consumption
Higher overclocking headroom
Unlocked

1366 is dead.. Long live the new king Sandy Bridge
    
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SB Offers :

32nm > 45nm
95W TDP > 130W TDP
Lower Power consumption
Higher overclocking headroom
Unlocked

1366 is dead.. Long live the new king Sandy Bridge
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Thanks for the input, I guess I'll wait for sandy bridge to come out.
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Sb since it offers a larger bang for the buck, but still in the high budget area. SB will last you longer and don't you want more for your $$$?
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I too am trying to convince my cousin to go SB.
But for a budget minded build he may end up with an AMD rig.
I guess I am becoming a Intel fanboy person all I've owned since building is Intel so I don't know anything about AMD.
I still think SB is the way to go with a new build or coming from a 775 set up, and coming from 1366 it's a "side grade".
I will wait for Ivy to get here as I am gonna milk my 920/Classified build or see how the more mature cpu's for SB pan out, SB looks promising as I am really in no need for the super high end.
My set up will last me for a good while even though as ppl have said 1366 is gonna die.
As things unfold for Intel and AMD in 2011 this is gonna be an interesting battle!!
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