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Upgrade Americas sorry ass networks. Were WAYYYY behind other countries already where they get faster unmetered internet for LESS.
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i dont know how people live with limited internet. I dont need unlimited, but i have it since there is no limited option. it's nice having the peace of mind of not going over limit. this better not go through. I'm paying $50 a month for a slow 3 Mbps connection.
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This has little to do with the Net Neutrality ruling the FCC passed, and more to do with the ISP's seeing how far they can push their agenda and the pricing model as they deem most profitable.

It's not only the unwillingness to upgrade the existing "last mile" of infrastructure, but also their need to take a cut out of the digital content/cloud based future that is quickly emerging(Wired: Netflix Instant accounts for 20 Percent of peak US bandwith use.).

Those seeing Net Neutrality as a cause for all of this are missing the point.

Quote:
Originally Posted by finalturismo View Post
So we are facing 3 issues now
A quote "portal" our data will be moving though.
Slowed data transfers of larger files to deal with the network's "congestion's"
The Fcc Recommending the ISPs to charge for extra bandwidth.
Like they do in New Zealand, Australia, Canada, and some places in Africa.

I want to say ABSOLUTELY non of this is a conspiracy, as you can see by the senators article.
Finalturismo, nothing against Senator Hutchison, but her article is more so pushing the agenda against Net Neutrality then it is clarifying the FCC's actual ruling. The FCC hasn't even released text in regards to the official ruling (7 days or more out.), so her "portal" analogy doesn't have any backing until that happens. The FCC doesn't have the financial ability to create such a resource at that either.

The belief of those against Net Neutrality in this regard, is that the government (Federal Communications Commission)should not have a hand in regulating how ISP's treat content. Therefore if say Hulu (NBC\\Comcast) were to create a service competing with Youtube(Google) in the realm video content publishing, then it would be legal for Comcast to throttle service to Youtube, and provide priority to Hulu based on this.

Obviously this isn't the case YET, and that is the point that Senator Hutchison is running on. That the ISP's have had no "issues" self regulating themselves thus far, and that this is an unnecessary "power grab" by the FCC which will in turn result in higher costs for the consumers.

She totally avoids the fact that this type of talk, and these type of issues have been circulating in the broadband industry for years. Comcast themselves have already settled lawsuits in regards to throttling and p2p transfers.

All of this is more of a fight to how much control the ISP's have in regards to the bandwidth they sell you. Should they have the ability to control what content you are provided with at what speed and accessibility, or should they simply be billing you for the service they provide?

The ISP's are using Net Neutrality as a guise for "threatening" higher costs to consumers. Sadly we'll all have to see how this issue and future legislation play out in the legislative body of our country.
Edited by ninjabelly - 12/23/10 at 11:36pm
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If this is passed, wouldn't illegal boxes become more popular because they can be flashed with a modified account and than cycle through that or gain an account with unlimited access?
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If it was something like 20 cents per GB then it'd be fair. However, I somehow doubt it'll go like that.
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Quote:
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I recommend everyone contacts their ISPs and have a similar conversation.
Harass poor tech support people who couldn't possibly know anything about this yet given that it's barely even been really agreed upon, let alone the corporations having the time to decide anything?

Yea, I don't think so. You can guarantee that the second the ISPs start changing their policies based on this that we'll get articles popping up all over Slashdot or OCN (or wherever you get your tech news).
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Originally Posted by allenottawa;
If it was something like 20 cents per GB then it'd be fair. However, I somehow doubt it'll go like that.
Highly doubt it.

Just curious, how much Internet do you people use a month and what on? How much time would you guys need to spend on the computer lol

I'm not going to add anything to the "freedom" discussion, because I know some OCN members aren't up to serious intellectual discussion, and it'll end up being political.
    
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^^^I dont even know how to find out. all i know is that im unlimited and i download/stream alot thanks to pandora/steam sales
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If this is passed, wouldn't illegal boxes become more popular because they can be flashed with a modified account and than cycle through that or gain an account with unlimited access?
Yes, just like the "industry" that erupted with satellite dishes. None of this will end "piracy", capping and adding costs will just make SneakerNet worthwhile, especially with the amount of warez that could be stuffed on a DVD or Blu-Ray disk.
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If it was something like 20 cents per GB then it'd be fair. However, I somehow doubt it'll go like that.
That is one thing I'd like to see studied. The way I view it is that if we decide that the Internet is actually "important", we can make it like a public utility, and operate in that manner. Pay per GB could entirely work, just like electric meters do. If someone uses more power - then they pay more in a billing period. I could even see it metered by time of day, with lower rates during the lull hours of the night, and higher rates in "prime time". I could also see "bulk rates" for people that are using it for, say, telecommuting, since there would be a net benefit in the "subsidy" of a lower rate for working from home because it would yield less pollution, less energy use, and less wear and tear on roads.

But to sell this requires to know what the fee might actually be. Like if it was $20 a month for a fiber optic connection, and a cent per GB - people would entirely go for that, considering that rate wouldn't be just for data, but for the provision of video signals as well. The average person would come out ahead, and heavy users really would not be paying all that much. Really, if it cost me a cent or two to download Linux, I'd not be sweating. And if my VPN costs me a few dollars per month so I can work from home - it's cheaper than gas to drive in when I don't need to be there physically. Even if it was 10 cents per GB - Linux would be 10 cents, a movie would be like fifty cents, VPN would be like a $1.50, and so on.

But if the ISPs are thinking they can continue to swindle us, by using their shoddy and shamefilled "technology", capped and throttled and deeply packet inspected - where they see fit to stifle what I want to do because they are using the bandwidth I pay for, to give it to some dude that wants cheap, low quality long distance - then that's all a scam. And we all know they would want $60 a month, for "technology" that is devoid of any real speed, and want a $1 or more per GB for the priviledge.

The way I look at it, with dial-up, I am paying $3 for the ability to download perhaps 12GB per month - so any alternate service that is compartable, like $30 for 120GB per month, would be acceptable in my books. And if the want it to have an Internet that is more about Media, like video, voice, and stuff like that - then we need more bandwidth; over say, traditional uses like downloading, email, etc. I would think that $1 GB would be a deal killer, it would be hard to justify VPN at the cost of $150 per month - even if it does save a bit of gas.

So really, it comes down to the real "cost" - and that is a number I have never, ever seen published or even studied. Until we have that number, the verdict is really out, because really, it is the amount one can download, rather than the ultimate speed, that is truly important.
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