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I'm looking for some tweaking advise regarding my rig. I'm posting 21-22000 on "performance" 3dVantage benchmarks, but cant help but to feel I have lots of untapped power.
My system basics are as follows:
i7 950 @ 3.2GHz, 12GB Corsair DDR3 @ 1886MHz, Asus Rampage III Formula MB, 150GB Raptor x3 in RAID 0, Evga GTX470 x2 in SLI, SB Fatality Extreme-gamer Sound. 1000 Xion PSU, 250 separate PSU to supplement GPUs.
I have TK Mozart case, tons of fans and a Big Noctua (140mm) CPU cooler and I have zero cooling related issues.

There are too many settings in the BIOS I'm afraid to touch , especially voltages which I'm staying away from out of fear of fried CPU and such.
I'm fairly computer savvy and, of course, this isn't my first custom build - but I'll be the first to admit I'm out of my league here...
I'm not looking to do any overclocking (if its avoidable), but I feel like my system should be giving out a little more.

If anyone has any suggestions or can point me in the right direction, I would be most thankful.
    
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Originally Posted by lordeod View Post
I'm looking for some tweaking advise regarding my rig. I'm posting 21-22000 on "performance" 3dVantage benchmarks, but cant help but to feel I have lots of untapped power.
My system basics are as follows:
i7 950 @ 3.2GHz, 12GB Corsair DDR3 @ 1886MHz, Asus Rampage III Formula MB, 150GB Raptor x3 in RAID 0, Evga GTX470 x2 in SLI, SB Fatality Extreme-gamer Sound. 1000 Xion PSU, 250 separate PSU to supplement GPUs.
I have TK Mozart case, tons of fans and a Big Noctua (140mm) CPU cooler and I have zero cooling related issues.

There are too many settings in the BIOS I'm afraid to touch , especially voltages which I'm staying away from out of fear of fried CPU and such.
I'm fairly computer savvy and, of course, this isn't my first custom build - but I'll be the first to admit I'm out of my league here...
I'm not looking to do any overclocking (if its avoidable), but I feel like my system should be giving out a little more.

If anyone has any suggestions or can point me in the right direction, I would be most thankful.
You got a Rampage III and a Noctua and are afraid to overclock...?
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Not helpful Airolden... lol...jk
But the truth is, the memory controller on the i7 is touchy (voltage wise) and I AM running 12GB. With full channels, I'm very much aware that a nice misjudgment on the voltage can easily cost me a CPU = that's why I'm trying to reel in some good advice before I go off and push buttons.
As an example, I've already tried to OC to 3.4GHz (which should be easily handled by my hardware) yet I keep BSODing. I fiddled with voltages as much as am comfortable, without much luck... so far...

I'm even still confused about XMP profile that I set, yet it automatically puts my voltage over spec, so I can't use it, and its not stable otherwise. Maybe I'm being too conservative, but this tech is expensive for me, and I can't replace charcoal CPUs ... lol
Edited by lordeod - 12/22/10 at 6:19pm
    
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Not helpful Airolden... lol...jk
But the truth is, the memory controller on the i7 is touchy (voltage wise) and I AM running 12GB. With full channels, I'm very much aware that a nice misjudgment on the voltage can easily cost me a CPU = that's why I'm trying to reel in some good advice before I go off and push buttons.
As an example, I've already tried to OC to 3.4GHz (which should be easily handled by my hardware) yet I keep BSODing. I fiddled with voltages as much as am comfortable, without much luck... so far...

I'm even still confused about XMP profile that I set, yet it automatically puts my voltage over spec, so I can't use it, and its not stable otherwise. Maybe I'm being too conservative, but this tech is expensive for me, and I can't replace charcoal CPUs ... lol
Well you're still covered by intel's 3 year warranty. They aren't able to see if you overclocked your chip unless you literally FRIED it(very difficult to do, trust me) or if your chip ever goes above the TJMax (I would guess it is around 100 degrees, maybe a little less, maybe a little more).

Anyway, I assume you are talking about free performance boosts? Overclocking is the only way to go unless you want to get a literal upgrade. Is there a reason why you're running 12GB RAM? Usually you won't need more than 4GB in anything other than rather intensive applications. Of course I understand you will need to use 6GB for triple channel, but still. It will make OC'ing that chip so very simple. I can understand if you actually use that, I was just curious as to why you have that amount of RAM.

Also you can overclock your Graphics Cards for a performance boost without upping any voltages at all usually. Of course the higher OC's always come from voltage control.

If you want to think about OC'ing your chip, here are the recommended safe voltages in my opinion. These are pretty conservative numbers by the way, to account for your cautiousness. I know a lot of people use voltages much higher than this 24/7

VCore: 1.375
QPI/VTT Voltage: 1.35
CPU PLL: 1.8
QPI PLL: 1.3
IOH Core: 1.28
ICH Core: 1.26
DRAM: 1.65

With your cooling I'd be very surprised if you burnt your chip staying under these settings. Just make sure your temps don't get too high. Plus if all else fails your warranty should still be intact.
Edited by Airolden - 12/22/10 at 6:54pm
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This is precisely the type of feedback I was looking forward to, so thanx for that.. I was just interested in what the community has already experimented with.
As for the memory, I'm completely in agreement with you as I personally would've preferred 6GB with much tighter timings then what I have - but to satisfy your curiosity, the memory cost me less than $80 out of pocket (as part of a deal), so I couldn't refuse... lol
I'll probably be looking into "faster" memory in the future though (that is to say, lower latencies at least).

Thanx again for your help.
    
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This is precisely the type of feedback I was looking forward to, so thanx for that.. I was just interested in what the community has already experimented with.
As for the memory, I'm completely in agreement with you as I personally would've preferred 6GB with much tighter timings then what I have - but to satisfy your curiosity, the memory cost me less than $80 out of pocket (as part of a deal), so I couldn't refuse... lol
I'll probably be looking into "faster" memory in the future though (that is to say, lower latencies at least).

Thanx again for your help.
Well why don't you take out 3 sticks of it, sell it on eBay or Amazon (you could probably sell them for $100 at least), keeping the 3 sticks you currently have, and profit. Remember your sticks can run at 2000MHz at stock, advertise them as such because for some people that is a big selling point. You could probably try underclocking the RAM frequency to about 1600MHz (which is the standard) and tightening the timings a little bit.

Another possibility is selling all 6 sticks of RAM on eBay or Amazon (probably sell them for $200) and then buying a 6GB kit for a decent price and saving the difference. I personally like this kit for VERY good price/performance from the best RAM manufacturer in the world, Mushkin. These G.Skill Pi's are VERY nice modules also, that run at even tighter timings for a little bit more. You won't find timings any tighter than this so anything more is unnecessary.

It is your choice in the end, those are just my two personal favorite kits. Remember that RAM frequency has VERY little impact on performance once you go above 1066MHz, so I personally will NEVER buy RAM over 1600MHz(I like 1600MHz for overclocking reasons). Tighter timings will always yield you better performance than frequency.

I hope I was of assistance to you. I really recommend you sell those sticks you have though, even though you will be losing 6GB of RAM you will most likely not miss it and will have better overall performance with nicer timings.

Good luck in your endeavors.
Edited by Airolden - 12/23/10 at 11:08am
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You've been of great assistance, thanx again.
And man, those are awesome timings... I'll probably be picking up a set of the Pi's... lol.. but I recently had emissions trouble with my car and it helped drain what little money I had left over after these holidays... they'll have to wait for now.

On a side note, I played with the voltage settings you provided me with and fiddled here and there with good results... had the CPU up to about 3.6 stable and was able to turn a 25000+ score on 3DMark Vantage with relative ease (core temps peaked at 69c).
I clocked back to stock on everything, since my everyday doesn't need for OC and I'm yet to run into any gaming issues with GTX470s in SLI...
I think the fact of having 12GB clocked high (got as far as 1934MHz) puts more pressure on the mem controlled and thus contributes to higher CPU temps.. (correct me if I'm wrong here though)

I'm a hater of high temps... lol
Edited by lordeod - 12/25/10 at 12:16am
    
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You've been of great assistance, thanx again.
And man, those are awesome timings... I'll probably be picking up a set of the Pi's... lol.. but I recently had emissions trouble with my car and it helped drain what little money I had left over after these holidays... they'll have to wait for now.

On a side note, I played with the voltage settings you provided me with and fiddled here and there with good results... had the CPU up to about 3.6 stable and was able to turn a 25000+ score on 3DMark Vantage with relative ease (core temps peaked at 69c).
I clocked back to stock on everything, since my everyday doesn't need for OC and I'm yet to run into any gaming issues with GTX470s in SLI...
I think the fact of having 12GB clocked high (got as far as 1934MHz) puts more pressure on the mem controlled and thus contributes to higher CPU temps.. (correct me if I'm wrong here though)

I'm a hater of high temps... lol
I really recommend if nothing else to remove three sticks of that RAM. You will actually most likely see a performance boost by removing it. Just to give you an idea with 6GB of RAM then 1.24-1.27 volts vcore in real time(not BIOS) is probably around what you would need to get 4.0GHz, which is pretty much the standard overclock for an i7. Remember every chip is different, I've seen chips that run 4.0GHz at much lower. So just play around with your settings and figure out how long you can go.

Temperature wise the peak should be under 85 degrees Celsius (some recommend 75 if you're cautious). You seem to be fine.

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