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Originally Posted by Majestic_Lizard;11744595 
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Originally Posted by Sam1990
Pretty sure he's going with eBay because he doesn't have enough rep yet.

Huh?

He was saying it to the other people mentioning for you to sell it on here in the forums market place.. and well he was just clarifying the other users (others that posted here on your thread) as *You do not have enough REP points on OCN to be able to sell stuff in our market place... in other words you don't have to worry about what he mentioned he was mentioning to the other members who previously posted here... unless you plan in the future to sell stuff here on OCN.. then all you need is hopefully get 35+ rep points by helping out members or posting something useful here on the forums - for people to Rep you for your informative posts and you would manage to be able to use the market place for selling

Forgot to say GOOD LUCK SELLING THE CARD wink.gif someone lucky will indeed enjoy it
I've been lucky to never had any issue on ebay selling & buying - so if you've already had the experience of something bad... don't worry I am certain you getting rid of that card the other person will not BS.. if he does.. well you already know the process to be safe and not get hassled by those BS filthy ebay buyers type
Edited by sendblink23 - 12/22/10 at 6:00pm
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post #32 of 41
Make a few posts on the forums, help others out and in no time you should receive 35 REP. Then you can sell it on here.
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Originally Posted by Majestic_Lizard;11744595 
I sold video card X to buyer Y for money H.

Buyer Y sent dead video card Z back to me.

Buyer Y opened a dispute (stating that the card I sent was dead) and took back the money, but kept the original card sold to him (video card X).

Buyer Y then had video card X and money H.

I furnished evidence that Buyer X had sent back dead video card Z and not video card X.

Decision was appealed. Money returned to seller.


Here are the facts one must understand:
1. Video card X has different serial numbers than dead video card Z.
2. Buyer Y intentionally attempted defraud the seller (me) and exploited the eBay refund system.
3. Additionally, I found out from other sellers that the buyer had done this before.


Huh?

Doesn't PayPal usually wait to hear from both sides before returning money to another persons account? That's why I was confused.

Two people in the thread mentioned to sell it in the OCN Marketplace. I said that because I'm assuming you're going on eBay because you don't have enough rep yet to sell in the OCN Marketplace.
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Originally Posted by Majestic_Lizard;11744779 
That does not matter on eBay. Even if you do not offer a refund, the eBay dispute system will take your money back anyway. No refunds was selected in the auction.



Not if the buyer starts the claim though the eBay dispute resolution. That trumps the Paypal resolution system. This is due to one of the many changes they have made this year The eBay dispute resolution system is much, much worse. It took me six hours on the last day to reach a supervisor with the dispute resolutions system and it was only after I mentioned that my evidence would stand up in small claims court that he cooperated. Had I not mentioned that, I believe the buyer would have kept the money.



This is true and I did that. I've been selling on eBay since 1999. My current profile is from the year 2002. The buyer was also a seller himself and had so many transactions that it masked the number of people he ripped off. He was fairly seasoned at what he was doing. I spoke to about three different sellers that had similar problem with this buyer. He also has multiple eBay profiles and once he has an issue with one, he simply stops using it for awhile and switches to a different one.

As many in this thread of have stated, one should document the merchandise in great detail. If any of you sell on eBay, I would advise you to use caution and be more careful with how you catalog your merchandise.

I've used eBay for awhile too but started selling in the OCN Marketplace since I got enough rep. Much easier and no listing fees.

I haven't sold on eBay in about a year now so I didn't know they added a dispute resolution center on eBay itself. I would have thought it would still work similarly to PayPal since they own eBay or the other way around.

If you list the item with as-is and mention there are no refunds wouldn't that be basically like agreeing to said terms and conditions when purchasing the item?
Edited by Sam1990 - 12/22/10 at 6:00pm
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Originally Posted by Majestic_Lizard;11745247 
Yeah, the totally reversed the system since then.

1. Sellers can no longer leave negative feedback.

2. Buyers can now start at dispute through eBay and get their money back by simply sending "something" back with a tracking number. It could be a dead cat or manure. It does not have to be what was paid for.

3. To reach the eBay dispute resolutions department a seller will have to wait on hold indefinitely and will usually be routed to the wrong department each time.

I wish none of this were true. I really do.

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There was a time long-long ago when sellers were treated good on eBay. Now its so easy to scam people and eBay protects the scammers. I used to have a huge eBay store and bought and sold everyday. Then the sellers started getting stepped on an the fees kept increasing and massive buyer fraud started happening. I had to leave when they stopped allowing sellers to give bad feedback. Holy Crap what were they thinking?
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post #34 of 41
Ebay always sides with the buyer. Forums feel more personal so I think people feel more responsible.

I have had great experiences and sometimes even better prices.

Go with forums smile.gif
post #35 of 41
35 rep isnt hard to get, just hold on to the card and sell it on OCN.

So much easier than eBay.
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Originally Posted by Sam1990;11745372 
Doesn't PayPal usually wait to hear from both sides before returning money to another persons account? That's why I was confused.

If you list the item with as-is and mention there are no refunds wouldn't that be basically like agreeing to said terms and conditions when purchasing the item?

Okay, what happened is that there are now TWO dispute resolution systems. One with eBay and one with PayPal. This is starting 2010. The eBay system takes precedence over the PayPal system and is run by idiots. The PayPal system, which has been refined through several years, is getting less accessible for eBay transactions.

The only way I could totally avoid a return is by selling it as a dead card. The card worked. Even then I would not be surprised if an eBay buyer opened a dispute and said that the item he purchased was not dead enough and he wants a refund. I'm serious. Its that bad.
    
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make sure you clearly specify that you record all serial numbers and link them to every purchase to prevent any disputes.
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Originally Posted by Majestic_Lizard;11745712 
Okay, what happened is that there are now TWO dispute resolution systems. One with eBay and one with PayPal. This is starting 2010. The eBay system takes precedence over the PayPal system and is run by idiots. The PayPal system, which has been refined through several years, is getting less accessible for eBay transactions.

Ya I didn't know they made a new dispute resolution center through eBay.
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The only way I could totally avoid a return is by selling it as a dead card. The card worked. Even then I would not be surprised if an eBay buyer opened a dispute and said that the item he purchased was not dead enough and he wants a refund. I'm serious. Its that bad.

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Originally Posted by WaXyDeAd;11745891 
make sure you clearly specify that you record all serial numbers and link them to every purchase to prevent any disputes.

I actually did state that in the auction. I had three sentences in bold and in red text that stated something to the effect of:

1) No returns.
2) An incompatible item is not considered defective.
3) All serial numbers and part numbers are documented to prevent charge-back scams.


That is what amazed me.

Had he just read my auction he probably would have been able to rip me off. He could have carefully removed the serial numbers (or duplicated them via scanner) from the good card and then placed them on the dead one. Instead he just sent me a dead card with different numbers.

The PCB numbers would still have been different though.
    
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Screw eBay. Their closing fees are 9% now. 9%!

You're almost guaranteed to run into deadbeat buyers nowadays too. I sold my Athlon 6400+ CPU on ebay back in November and the guy opened a dispute claiming it was a lower clocked version of the 6400+ (there is only one). After listening through his bs list of "certifications" on the phone, eBay staff and I called him out for lying when we got a CPU-Z link from him (what an idiot).
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