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64GB Crucial C300 vs 60GB OCZ Vertex 2E

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Bought the C300 for myself today, but I'm suffering a bit of buyers remorse already before its even arrived, so just wanted to see what your thoughts were.

It will be running in my sig rig through SATA 2. Main uses will be for faster boot, nifty instant multiple app loading and to store 1 or 2 games.

I decided against the Vertex 2E's much faster writes in favour of the C300's slightly faster random 4KB random read speed, larger capacity, hugely lower max read/write latency, unreliance on compressible data for full read/write speeds and lastly the fact that Crucial are reputed to have a RMA station based in Scotland instead of OCZ's Netherlands one.


Read:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/sto...review-120gb/5




Write:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/sto...review-120gb/6





The questions in my mind at the moment are:
Whether having SATA 2 will significantly lower my C300's random 4KB read/write/latencies, compared to those in the graphs which used SATA 3

Whether the slightly faster random 4KB read and lower max read/write latency of the C300 actually translates into a noticeabley different experience during everyday use.

Do the fast sequential writes of the Vertex 2E only come into play for very large file copies?

Has anyone used both? Tell me about your experiences of the drives!

Also just to clarify what I need to do when the drive arrives is: set AHCI through bios and install W7 as normal to get all the speed I can expect from SATA II? Windows will automatically activate TRIM?

Thanks for any and all responses!
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Yes, if you are using the ssd as a OS drive I wouldn't worry too much about the write speed and from those graphs the C300 beats the 2E's access times for the most part as well as win the 4k read which is important.

SATA3G will actually improve your 4k speeds right now as their isn't a good SATA6G controller out for the public. Since the 4k read/writes don't even come close to pass SATA3G or even just plain sata, using SATA3G wont hinder the performance.

That is what sequential write/reads are..reading/writing big files. So yes, that comes into play with big files, which you might know is not near as important as 4k read/writes which are used way more frequently.

I know SIN has had a OCZ vertex of some sort and now has the C300 64GB and he likes the C300 better which would make sense. The C300 is the best SSD you can get. Yes, the 64GB writes are somewhat slow in the sequential world, but that doesn't really mean much as most people don't use that function very often. It is fast where it is important.

I am almost positive you don't have to manually activate TRIM or garbage collection. To set AHCI you do what you said. Set it in the BIOS and install Win7 to the SSD. It will use the msahci controller and you are all set. Just don't defragment the SSD...ever.

You made the right choice getting the C300 over the 2E so don't worry so much and enjoy it!
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I hadn't even thought about the fact that current 4KB read/write speeds weren't actually anywhere near approaching SATA 2 transfer saturation. Now I get why some people get annoyed about others quoting sequential speeds! (in my mind they were still somehow linked to 4KB random read/write)

The main thing I'm worried about now is how soon the 3rd gen Intel drives will be coming out, I've read Q1 2011 mentioned. Gonna be shooting myself in the foot they outperform the C300 for the same price or make current gen SSDs price crash.
Edited by Buttnose - 12/22/10 at 7:46pm
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Dont worry about the G3's, I don't think they are even SATA6G ( don't quote me on that though) and I highly doubt that they are faster than the C300.

Tom's wrote an article on one guy claiming that he has one, but we don't know for sure. The read speed was tested up to 218MB/s, which is below the Intel-promised 250MB/s. Write speed, however, posted 167.4MB/s, near the official 170MB/s. The write is alot better than the G2 version though..and I heard the access times are almost halved as well.

That of course is sequential..that doesn't even come close to sandforce with a 285MB/s read and a 275MB/s write..I still doubt the 4k will be more than 30MB/s though which I hope you know by now is more important

Here ya go btw

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80GB drive with 30MB/s+ 4Ks, faster access times and ~150MB/s sequential writes would be amazing if they came in at competitive prices to the current gen of SF/C300, just not so nice for me

Anyway my C300 came in today, tried installing the 006 firmware but it threw up a wierd error so I went ahead and installed Windows on the 002. TRIM was enabled by default. Had to reinstall W7 after some other weird drive recognition error on the bootloader, but seems to work fine now, just need to get rid of the bootloader altogether to test my boot time.

As I expected the things that I'm noticing the most are boot times and in general usage, being able to multiple applications almost instantaneously.

Heres my AS SSD screenshot:


Updated AS SSD screenshot after IntelRST installation for ICH10R:


The error that came up when updating firmware:



I'm really interested in how the drive will perform after a successful 006 firmware update. Would be great to squeeze some more sequential write speed and lower write access times.
Edited by Buttnose - 12/23/10 at 12:38pm
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Yes, if you are using the ssd as a OS drive I wouldn't worry too much about the write speed and from those graphs the C300 beats the 2E's access times for the most part as well as win the 4k read which is important.

SATA3G will actually improve your 4k speeds right now as their isn't a good SATA6G controller out for the public. Since the 4k read/writes don't even come close to pass SATA3G or even just plain sata, using SATA3G wont hinder the performance.

That is what sequential write/reads are..reading/writing big files. So yes, that comes into play with big files, which you might know is not near as important as 4k read/writes which are used way more frequently.

I know SIN has had a OCZ vertex of some sort and now has the C300 64GB and he likes the C300 better which would make sense. The C300 is the best SSD you can get. Yes, the 64GB writes are somewhat slow in the sequential world, but that doesn't really mean much as most people don't use that function very often. It is fast where it is important.

I am almost positive you don't have to manually activate TRIM or garbage collection. To set AHCI you do what you said. Set it in the BIOS and install Win7 to the SSD. It will use the msahci controller and you are all set. Just don't defragment the SSD...ever.

You made the right choice getting the C300 over the 2E so don't worry so much and enjoy it!
Just wondering, why is it bad to ever defrag the SSD?
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It is not necessarily bad, but it causes unneeded wear and tear without any benefit to the drive. It will not destroy it or anything, but it doesn't help at all either.

Great 4k times too!
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