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Geforce GTX 680 is going to max crysis by itself at like 60-90 FPS. I know I'm getting one and putting it under h20.
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Originally Posted by Neitzluber;11747493 
But this hasn't happened. Their top-of-the-line cards have increased their power consumption generation after generation. They're not going to make a card that consumes a fraction of the power as a GTX580... they will rather make a card that's 16 times faster if they can get 16 times the performance per watt.

Yes, but the point that Jen Hsun Huang is trying to make in his presentation is that he recognizes that the world is not running on free electricity. There is a certain point where performance isn't going to matter much when you can barely pay the electric bill to keep it running. They know that, in order for them to continue to sell a product that is used for entertainment purposes, they need to start making some changes, in which he pointed out has already involved a sizable amount of R&D and manpower dedicated towards this "mission".

When the rest of the computer world is striving for power efficiency and the world mantra is to push for a greener world, you either go along, or you fade away since your competition will step in to fill your void.
     
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Originally Posted by MM-K;11746915 
16 times faster than Fermi? no way in hell lol.

I'm kind of excited to see what kind of performance it will offer though.

I meant Maxwell, not Kepler smile.gif
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Originally Posted by covertash;11747679 
Yes, but the point that Jen Hsun Huang is trying to make in his presentation is that he recognizes that the world is not running on free electricity.



Do you really think that's Nvidia's first concern? I think as long as someone will buy it, they'll crank out as much power as they see fit.
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even if they could get 16x performance out of the cards I don't see them releasing anything more than 50% increase per release unless competition does other wise. They wanna make you pay for each little step along the way... If it would be possible to do even 2x gain on next gen cards don't expect to see it unless competition has plans to do the same
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by L D4WG;11745503 
**** if its coming our next year then hell yeah im waiting, also waiting for ivy bridge... Maxwell looks pretty crazy...

You just wait for NESCAFÉ in 2016.
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Originally Posted by Neitzluber;11747238 
What needs to happen is they need to make some sort of hardware or software that divides any work that needs to be done equally among all the cores in a processor, regardless of the program's threads or whatever.


A thread is already the smallest unit of processing. To split a thread up further, you would need modify the original code. Even if you could break a thread up, you would have deal with concurrency and scheduling. Managing these would be impossible without knowing each and every single possible program.
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Originally Posted by pencil364;11747942 
Do you really think that's Nvidia's first concern? I think as long as someone will buy it, they'll crank out as much power as they see fit.

I do. Look at the GTX 500 series as the proof.

Nvidia has lost a considerable amount of market share to AMD over the past year, which has forced them to rethink a few things. AMD had the technical upper hand in being the first to market multi-monitor gaming as well as DX11 while also offering better power, thermal and acoustical characteristics with the HD5000 series, in comparison (even including the HD4000 series). With the release of the late comer GTX 480, it caught a bad rep due to the high temps, high power consumption, and loudness, which was a tremendous victory for AMD. The 470 wasn't any better in its respective price bracket. Granted the performance of these cards was there, overall, but not that much greater than AMD's offerings, and all while being less efficient.

Nvidia essentially had to slash prices in order to maintain market share. A lot of people weren't willing to pay $300-$400 price range for a GTX 470 (let alone a more expensive GTX 480) with all the negative aspects associated with it. However, slashing prices to bring it under $300 becomes an entirely different story as people are more willing to accept its shortcomings if it achieves a good bang-for-buck ratio. Coupled with the fact that aftermarket cooled cards were in large supply, and the proposition became even more enticing.

Now when we look at the GTX 500 series, it represents what Fermi should have been from the very beginning. Performance isn't all that much higher compared to the 400 series, but the fact that it improved on all the other negative aspects from the previous generation, the 500 series gets painted in a new light. Coupled with the fact that the pricing is much more in tune with the market, and you have a winner on your hands. Had the 500 series come out instead of the 400 series when it did, the 500 series would not have looked nearly as impressive.

Nvidia can be a lot of things, but they definitely are not stupid, especially when millions, if not hundreds of millions, are at stake. Just look at how hard it is for most places to keep the more expensive GTX 580 in stock. If people are willing to pay for more efficient cards that only offer slightly better performance, you'd better bet the farm that that's what they will sell. wink.gif
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that's only normal tho computer technology increases exponentially and its in 3 years they had better hes a card that blows the 580 out of the sky

go 3 years back that's about when the 8800 came out and they where a huge deal compare them to a 580 and they get eaten alive
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Originally Posted by covertash;11748187 
I do. Look at the GTX 500 series as the proof.

Nvidia has lost a considerable amount of market share to AMD over the past year, which has forced them to rethink a few things. AMD had the technical upper hand in being the first to market multi-monitor gaming as well as DX11 while also offering better power, thermal and acoustical characteristics with the HD5000 series, in comparison (even including the HD4000 series). With the release of the late comer GTX 480, it caught a bad rep due to the high temps, high power consumption, and loudness, which was a tremendous victory for AMD. The 470 wasn't any better in its respective price bracket. Granted the performance of these cards was there, overall, but not that much greater than AMD's offerings, and all while being less efficient.

Nvidia essentially had to slash prices in order to maintain market share. A lot of people weren't willing to pay $300-$400 price range for a GTX 470 (let alone a more expensive GTX 480) with all the negative aspects associated with it. However, slashing prices to bring it under $300 becomes an entirely different story as people are more willing to accept its shortcomings if it achieves a good bang-for-buck ratio. Coupled with the fact that aftermarket cooled cards were in large supply, and the proposition became even more enticing.

Now when we look at the GTX 500 series, it represents what Fermi should have been from the very beginning. Performance isn't all that much higher compared to the 400 series, but the fact that it improved on all the other negative aspects from the previous generation, the 500 series gets painted in a new light. Coupled with the fact that the pricing is much more in tune with the market, and you have a winner on your hands. Had the 500 series come out instead of the 400 series when it did, the 500 series would not have looked nearly as impressive.

Nvidia can be a lot of things, but they definitely are not stupid, especially when millions, if not hundreds of millions, are at stake. Just look at how hard it is for most places to keep the more expensive GTX 580 in stock. If people are willing to pay for more efficient cards that only offer slightly better performance, you'd better bet the farm that that's what they will sell. wink.gif



Where is this coming from?

The GTX 5xx series has a better cooling solution, the the 580 uses more power than the 480.

Nvidia didn't make any great headway on the 5xx series, people just choose to believe things like heat and power usage really matter, when most people waste more money in a day than it costs to power a nvidia card over an AMD card in a month.

I bought a 85% PSU, I did my part, bring on the massive power draw, I need more faster.
    
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Where is this coming from?

The GTX 5xx series has a better cooling solution, the the 580 uses more power than the 480.

Nvidia didn't make any great headway on the 5xx series, people just choose to believe things like heat and power usage really matter, when most people waste more money in a day than it costs to power a nvidia card over an AMD card in a month.

I bought a 85% PSU, I did my part, bring on the massive power draw, I need more faster.

My post is a response to someone else's post. That's where it's coming from. smile.gif

However, you are absolutely right. The 580 does come with a better cooler and it does use more power than the 480 at load, but it does also come with an increase performance as well (however so slight). The spin on it is that it is more efficient per watt; they did not say *how* much more efficient per watt, just that it *is* more efficient.

Maybe to you, power consumption and efficiency does not matter all that much, but to others it makes a huge difference. Ask any Folder who pays his/her own electric bill. eek.gif But regardless of our take on it, power consumption and efficiency are issues that do need to be addressed. If Nvidia is looking to achieve a significant performance increase with each succeeding generation, they need to be able to figure out how to power it within the PCIE spec. They cannot expect to do whatever they want and sell cards that have to be stored in their own case, run off its own power generator, and cooled with LN2 at stock.

Remember, I'm not the one who is standing in front of a crowd talking about achieving more performance per watt, Jen Hsun is. But the fact of the matter is that they need to get better at that efficiency if they are to expect to sell cards that the average consumer can use.
     
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