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While I do agree that a platter swap without a clean room is a stupid idea that will almost always fail our shop has done it exactly one time successfully. It worked long enough to get the data off.

EDIT: If you end up having drive savers or ESS do it let me know, I can give you a code for 10% off.
Hey i'm not saying it's impossible. Nothing's impossible. But the chance is so low it's not worth wasting a brand new drive to maybe get the data off the old one. If the data isn't that important then it's not worth the risk, and if it IS that important then it should be sent out.
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I dont need a permanent solution just enough to transfer, i have 3 others externals, ill just need to decided if i want to take the time to rebuild

** Ill probably just say **** it and count it as a loss**
     
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This drive might be dead, but the most likely outcome is that he won't get any data back AND he will kill the $130 donor drive too. Net result - no data, lost time, lost money. Not a good outcome in my book...
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nope nearly full 931 gb lol im sure its a lost cause, just comes down to if i wanna spend 130 and gamble or just start my media collection back from scratch
Well, there's the whole "you probably shouldn't have pirated all of that in the first place" argument, but, I'll just leave it at: Ain't karma a bastard?

I mean, if you *didn't* download 931 gigs of "media" then you're able to just grab your disks and back them up on the HD again, so, not really from scratch, per se.

But more to the point, Manyak is 100% right. Nothing you can do will save it, and any drive you buy will get hosed in the process wasting even more money. Either move on, or lose more. That's about it.
    
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Well, there's the whole "you probably shouldn't have pirated all of that in the first place" argument, but, I'll just leave it at: Ain't karma a bastard?

I mean, if you *didn't* download 931 gigs of "media" then you're able to just grab your disks and back them up on the HD again, so, not really from scratch, per se.

But more to the point, Manyak is 100% right. Nothing you can do will save it, and any drive you buy will get hosed in the process wasting even more money. Either move on, or lose more. That's about it.
Let's begin with the "assumption" that all of his media is pirated. If he is like me a good portion of his multi-media didn't come from CD's and DVD's, but from Records and Tapes. While it would be possible to re-record them to digital on a computer, it's a LOT more time consuming and work than simply putting in a CD/DVD and have have a program handle all of the work for you.

He also mentions TV Shows. How do you know that he didn't record them to his hard drive himself like a lot of people do? That wouldn't be piracy. Sony won that battle nearly 3 decades ago.

While I'm not saying that I know for a fact that these are the OP's situation, you have absolutely no evidence to support your theory or accusations that there was any piracy involved.

In the future let's keep unsubstantiated accusations out of the thread. Unless we have clear evidence to the contrary we should not be making judgement calls like that. It has absolutely no place here on OCN.
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He also mentions TV Shows. How do you know that he didn't record them to his hard drive himself like a lot of people do? That wouldn't be piracy. Sony won that battle nearly 3 decades ago.
Whereas the arguement about ripped media from his own originals is valid, as it is time consuming to re-rip media even from DVDs or CDs, let alone from vinyl, it is not true that recording TV shows is fully legal.

You are entitled to record a show from broadcast TV, but you are not entitled to keep that recording. In fact I don't think you are even entitled to watch it more than once, and you have a legal obligation to delete the recording after a reasonable timeframe. Basically timeshifting is allowed, but not archiving of footage. That was the compromise that allowed the video recorder to be sold, as previously any recording of TV shows was illegal.

I'd agree about the acusations of piracy though - yabo's post should not have been worded as it was to accuse of piracy quite so blatently on the evidence thus far presented.
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As long as it isn't a Pay For View type program, or something on a Premium Channel such as HBO, ShowTime, etc. it's perfectly legal to keep it and view it as often as one desires. It's only illegal to re-transmit, sell, trade, or distribute it. As long as the person recording the program retains possession of the recording they can keep it as long as they want and view it as often as they want as long as they don't show it in a place of business {such as a bar, etc.). It's more complicated than that such as fair use of snippets used in news, reviews, etc., but that covers the gist of it. Disney and some of the other studios have challenged that, but to date they have never been successful in changing it. At least that is the way that it is here in the USA. It could very well be different in other countries. Since the OP didn't divulge their location there is really no way for anyone of us (except for those who know the OP personally) to know what laws would apply to them.
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Well, this thread de-railed fast.
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As long as it isn't a Pay For View type program, or something on a Premium Channel such as HBO, ShowTime, etc. it's perfectly legal to keep it and view it as often as one desires. It's only illegal to re-transmit, sell, trade, or distribute it. As long as the person recording the program retains possession of the recording they can keep it as long as they want and view it as often as they want as long as they don't show it in a place of business {such as a bar, etc.). It's more complicated than that such as fair use of snippets used in news, reviews, etc., but that covers the gist of it. Disney and some of the other studios have challenged that, but to date they have never been successful in changing it. At least that is the way that it is here in the USA. It could very well be different in other countries. Since the OP didn't divulge their location there is really no way for anyone of us (except for those who know the OP personally) to know what laws would apply to them.
Actually it is in the US that it is illegal to store recordings, and only the provision to time shift (ie watch once later than the broadcast) was ever legal. You should read the Sony BetaMax case documentation (available here).

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(c) The record and the District Court's findings show ... (2) that there is no likelihood that time-shifting would cause nonminimal harm to the potential market for, or the value of, respondents' copyrighted works. The VTR's are therefore capable of substantial noninfringing uses. Private, noncommercial time-shifting in the home satisfies this standard of noninfringing uses both because respondents have no right to prevent other copyright holders from authorizing such time-shifting for their programs, and because the District Court's findings reveal that even the unauthorized home time-shifting of respondents' programs is legitimate fair use.
Whether or not the show is encrypted or pay-per-view is irrelevant - what is important is that the consumer is allowed 'fair use' that doesn't infringe on the copyright owner's revenue. Fair use for the consumer is being allowed to watch the recording when they like rather than when it was broadcast. Not affecting revenue means not keeping or distributing the recording (as distribution or repeated viewing means less viewers for future programs, and fewer sales of official copies of shows - DVD box-sets etc).

Just because nobody has yet been prosecuted doesn't make it legal - and the likelihood for laws protecting copyright owners are only likely to get more and more restrictive for home users as digital copies & cheap mass storage mean more people can record and store huge volumes of shows that they would otherwise have to have purchased or not been able to keep.
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Fair use for the consumer is being allowed to watch the recording when they like rather than when it was broadcast..

I'd like to watch on a regular basis, rather than once every few months
     
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