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Hello all,
I'm new to this forum.

I'd like some help regarding my computer i'm going to build.
I have quite a low bugdet of £500(~$600-700),
I play new games like nfs:shift, bad company 2, etc.
This would be my 4th computer, and first 'gaming rig' aswell as the first computer i build myself.

I picked these parts, and i'd like to know what you think.

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955(I've heard the 925 is not OC???)
RAM : 2x2gb Kingston 2000MHz or 1600MHz(£30 cheaper, 4x2 8gb 1600mhz £20 more)
Mobo : Gigabyte MA770T-UD3(i know...770chipset but i will upgrade in future)
GPU : I have a 8600GT 1gb(old), but I like the HD5750.
Case : CM 430 elite w/ window
PSU : OcUK Swift 550W
HDD : WD 500gb 7200rpm
120mm CM fans
Don't know the cpu cooler yet
And some CD drive.
£465(VAT+Delivery) with win 7, the 2000mhz RAM, no cpu cooler or gfx card.

So, what can I change/improve, and which parts shall I pick.

I won't be sticking to this all the time I will upgrade(RAM, mobo, HDD)
    
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since you're on a budget, id say go with the 1600 ram. and use that 30 for a good cooler or a newest gen. gpu (nvidia 5xx or ati 6xxx) just my
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thx for the reply.
The 1600 was my first choice, I just found the 2000 and thought it was cheap
Also I might not have to get a new PSU because I have a 400W, but might not be enough(OC ), from when I got the GPU . ok then i'll do that, but what about the CPU, Is it just a locked multiplier or not OC.
    
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a 955 black edition has an unlocked multi... 400w is a bit low. the recommended min psu for a new nvidia gtx 570 or a new raedon 6870 is a 550w (more if you want to overclock it)
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I know . The multiplier is better than the fsb(easier)??? Aslo, I don't know what GPU to get, all are above £150(the good ones, one you said), average ones are like £120....what about a GT240 1gb, GDDR5 or the HD5750??? GTS450(£100)?....a GTX570 is £300+, 6870 is £200+
    
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The multiplier is better because it only changes the CPU speed. The FSB changes everything connected to it, like your RAM. Also, better PSU is almost a must, get a quality Corsair unit. Also, switch that drive out with a Spinpoint F3.

Also, you can go with cheaper RAM, as you have an unlocked multiplier.
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Also, you can go with cheaper RAM, as you have an unlocked multiplier.
I know what the multiplier and the is fsb.But what do you mean^^^ with that.

What's the difference between a F3 and WD?
Edited by Watercooled 999 - 12/23/10 at 5:10am
    
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The Samsung F3's are cheaper and supposedly they have slightly better performance/speed, even though their specs would not suggest that. This is compared to the WD Caviar Black (you don't say which WD you are getting but I'm assuming Black).

I second the PSU comments, get something better. Skimping on a PSU is a bad idea, in my opinion. When you consider that everything connects to it and when you read how many stories there are about PSU's frying and taking HDD, mobos, etc with it due to voltage spikes, etc, you realize that cheap PSUs are a bad idea. Seasonic, Antec (EarthWatts line), and Corsair are all reputable brands with lower priced yet dependable units. 600-700watts would be good for you. Also, keep in m ind that cheap PSUs usually have wattage ratings much higher than their typical output. For example, the one you list at 550w may in reality only put out 400-450w.

For coolers, the Hyper 212+ is well loved and very cheap.

Just for gaming, 4Gb ram should be fine these days. If your trying to save some money, the GSkill Ripjaws are cheap these days. The FSB/cheaper RAM comment I believe refers to the fact that since you are overclocking, you can boost the FSB which will give you some boost on your ram speed. For example: DDR3 1600 ram and a bus clock of 210 (stock AMD is 200), will have your ram at 1680. Clock at 220 will give 1760 ram, etc. Aside from that, people have been running these games for a while on much lower ram than that (my sig rig for example has DDR2 800-clocked to 880).

In my opinion, I'd say the graphics card is more important here than the processor, to some degree. The 925 is $15 (in the US) cheaper than the 955 but the 925 will run cooler and likely OC to around 3.4-3.6. I doubt you'd see much difference unless you just to benchmarks. Heck, my 740BE at 3.6GHz would do the job also.

Since you're budget is so tight, I guess the question you should ask yourself is why you rare building this rig? Is it to use new hardware or to successfully game? If its for the hardware, then save money, be patient, look for deals/combo deals, etc and get the best you can. If its to game, you can likely shave off enough to add a decent GPU which will add more to your gaming experience than 0.2 stock GHz on the processor.

If gaming is the most important, look for a free, crap ugly ATX case. This will save you ~60 pounds, which with the 20 pounds from the lower memory, 20 pounds from the CPU and the 40 pounds you have left over, gets you most of the way to a good GPU. Save you're money and upgrade cases later.

Do you have a way of getting the OS free or discounted? Most students can get free/cheap Windows, if you happen to be a student that could almost buy your GPU.
Edited by ddietz - 12/23/10 at 7:05am
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Ok so this is what I'll be getting:
AMD X4 955
Kingston HyperX 4gb 2x2
Gigabyte MA770T-UD3
Nvidia GT240 GDDR5 1gb/512mb or a HD5750 1gb
CM 430 Elite w/ window
Corsair 500w PSU
Spinpoint F3
Some CD drive
CM Hyper 212+
CM SickleFlow 120mm led fans
+ win 7

~£520

anything else i shall change???
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The Samsung F3's are cheaper
Where I looked they were more....
    
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