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Blah... Steam is good for what the PC is and does with games. XBL is meant to be an all in one media center with the Zune service and XBLA at it's core. Microsoft didn't know what it created when it setup XBL and now there seems to be an executive at Microsoft that has a hard on to integrate it seamlessly with Winodws. That what this really seems to be about is Microsoft trying to get the PC and the Xbox to be one in the same.

Which is a retarded idea...
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Two things.

Most gamers upgrade with each iteration of Windows to take advantage of new features/performance. Those who do not game, generally stay with older versions of Windows as there is no real incentive to upgrade. Microsoft should know this and start treating PC gamers with more respect.

Second, if they really wanted to improve Windows for PC gamers, they could optimize Windows. For instance, when booting Windows, it could ask if you are about to game and then boot a select part of Windows that is just optimized for gaming. Those things that will optimize/harness the power of the CPU, mem and GPU and not all the other 100+ apps that are visible/invisible working in the background and stealing performance/mem.
 
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So what can XBL do?
full integration into every single xbox 360 game made meaning you can join games your friends are playing - steam can only do that on source games.

joining an xbox party automatically gives you voice chat that's clear - you need an extra program besides steam, about 15 minutes into calibrating a mic, and a button press each time you wan't to talk for on pc.

invite other friends or your whole party into playing your game is very trivial

when the inevitable death of xbox live comes in some years for whatever reason, i'd still be able to access my games since they're on physical media. if steam goes away tommorow, what will happen to your games?

when i do buy a game on steam, i take the cd-key and install the game using an iso. i don't need to advertise to the world that i'm cool because i've played bc2:vietnam for four hours last night. which doesn't really make sense because you can't join your friends bc2 game from steam and must use the HORRIBLE friends system on bc2 anyway.

truth is steam is nothing beyond source games. beyond the facade it's an adware/download manager for gaming that charges the same price for a boxed version.

i love xbl but it's a closed system along with xb360. it will never work with pc's open platform.
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In short answer to the title: no.
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Yes, they can.

Step 1: Stop getting 360 exclusives.
Step 2: Stop all development of GFWL, and disallow further bundling.
Step 3: Make the 360 OS functionally identical to Windows so porting is as simple as setting a common graphics config and throwing it on the DVD
Step 4: Trim the crap out of Windows while we're on the subject of operating systems. Gamers don't need three different Windows validation programs running, they don't need five thousand nanny programs going, and they don't need Windows trying to keep them safe from themselves.
one problem, you think windows will run on an xbox 360? it's got no guts

If Microsoft allowed cross-platform gaming from xbox to PC against each other
obviously everyone will move to PC, cause who likes getting perpetually annihilated?

EDIT: just watched the mac video at the beginning of this page, all i can say is "Sell your mac piece of crap, that'll fix your problems"
Edited by Fear of Oneself - 12/23/10 at 8:50am
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full integration into every single xbox 360 game made meaning you can join games your friends are playing - steam can only do that on source games.

joining an xbox party automatically gives you voice chat that's clear - you need an extra program besides steam, about 15 minutes into calibrating a mic, and a button press each time you wan't to talk for on pc.

invite other friends or your whole party into playing your game is very trivial

when the inevitable death of xbox live comes in some years for whatever reason, i'd still be able to access my games since they're on physical media. if steam goes away tommorow, what will happen to your games?

when i do buy a game on steam, i take the cd-key and install the game using an iso. i don't need to advertise to the world that i'm cool because i've played bc2:vietnam for four hours last night. which doesn't really make sense because you can't join your friends bc2 game from steam and must use the HORRIBLE friends system on bc2 anyway.

truth is steam is nothing beyond source games. beyond the facade it's an adware/download manager for gaming that charges the same price for a boxed version.

i love xbl but it's a closed system along with xb360. it will never work with pc's open platform.

It's the same for XBL. Just in a different package.

Steam is clear enough, but people seem to prefer Teamspeak and Ventrilo due for some semblance of control over the chat. That, or they dont even know Steam supports private voicechat.

It's not Steam's fault Dice doesnt want to integrate Bad Company 2 into the Steam UI. And for that matter, why should you even be hating on Steam? Hate on the developer who doesnt want to integrate into Steam. They'd do it just fine with XBL and PSN, so why not Steam?

The reason is this. EA Download Manager. There is competition on the PC, being an open platform and that they still pin some hope to people who might use their software to download the game with.

Physical media is overrated. Where will your Physical Media be when say, your PS3 stops supporting PS2 games? Oh wait.

That last statement of yours, have you bought anything from Steam's Holiday Sale?
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XP/Vista/7 all work perfectly fine for gaming, Microsoft. The problem is, I don't want your garbage software like GFWL. As far as I'm concerned, you already "have" the gamers since most popular titles are limited to consoles (one of which is your very own) and Windows PCs.

Edit:
For those complaining about poor Steam integration to non-Valve games, I believe that's the fault of the developer of the particular game in question. I think if the developer adds "Steamworks" support, features like friends list joining will be added. If that's the case, Valve will probably require them to publish their game through Steam though.
Edited by tehmaggot - 12/23/10 at 8:58am
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If MS really cared about PC gaming Alan Wake would've been a PC exclusive as originally planned. Or maybe they PC games they are talking about is flash games like Farmville.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14

It's the same for XBL. Just in a different package.

Steam is clear enough, but people seem to prefer Teamspeak and Ventrilo due for some semblance of control over the chat. That, or they dont even know Steam supports private voicechat.

It's not Steam's fault Dice doesnt want to integrate Bad Company 2 into the Steam UI. And for that matter, why should you even be hating on Steam? Hate on the developer who doesnt want to integrate into Steam. They'd do it just fine with XBL and PSN, so why not Steam?

The reason is this. EA Download Manager. There is competition on the PC, being an open platform and that they still pin some hope to people who might use their software to download the game with.

Physical media is overrated. Where will your Physical Media be when say, your PS3 stops supporting PS2 games? Oh wait.

That last statement of yours, have you bought anything from Steam's Holiday Sale?
i don't hate on steam, i own most of my pc games from it. but i don't go touting it as a 'gaming platform'. i see it for what it is and it doesn't go beyond being a download manager for games out for your money (gasp really?).

what does ps3 have to do with ps2? if you have ps2 games where the hell did your ps2 go?

steam sales is an old trick. it's called the bargain bin in brick and mortar stores. i just picked up a copy of RE5 and fable 2 for xbox 360 for $5 each last monday.

wait i have to install vent/teamspeak calibrate my mic, find a friend who knows a server and i havn't even joined the game yet? i'll just plug in my headset for xbox 360, join your party, instantly find you and have it work like it should. i can actually start my xbox and join a game with friends faster than i can start up my pc and i have an ssd.

paragraph 3 is nice, but you answered yourself in paragraph 4.

another thing i don't like about steam is xbl it puts zero resale value on any game you buy. xbl doesnt force you to register your game to be able to play it. take for example, i bought cod:bo when it came out in nov. played the heck out of single player on veteran as well as prestiged once. it sat for a week and i put it on sale for $45 on another forum and someone snagged it - you simply cannot do this with steam. i guess you can just pirate a copy for single player but good luck making it work multi player.
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another thing i don't like about steam is xbl it puts zero resale value on any game you buy. xbl doesnt force you to register your game to be able to play it. take for example, i bought cod:bo when it came out in nov. played the heck out of single player on veteran as well as prestiged once. it sat for a week and i put it on sale for $45 on another forum and someone snagged it - you simply cannot do this with steam. i guess you can just pirate a copy for single player but good luck making it work multi player.
That's not just for Steam. GFWL is exactly the same, which is a spawn of XBL. No digital data 'legally' has any resale value, not just Steam.
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