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Sorry, have to disagree with you there. In terms of imagequality, it's definitely a smeipro/pro camera. that's not where the difference lies.

The difference is in the handling. It has a plastic body, is not very weather resistant, lacks buttons to quickly change settings, and does not have a top screen.

I have both a D90 (semipro), and a D2H (as pro as you can get), and even between those there's quite a difference in handling.

@roddimusprime:

It's not about the camera! For fashion shoots, they generally use Hasselblad's, or the high res pro bodies from CaNikon (D3x, 1DsMkIII).
However, you don't need those. Even the cheapest camera is able to produce high quality shots. The difference is in the handling. I went outside with my D2H for some snow shots. The camera fell in the snow, got covered in ice, and it even had a small puddle of water in the lens hood.

And it survived, and the battery did not suffer 1% from the cold. That's the difference between a pro body and a budget body, not imagequality

My point is that you can quickly grow out of an entry-level body. I have handled them after shooting professionally with the D2H and D90, and I was ready to tear my hair out. I really missed the top screen and the dedicated buttons, and the larger grip, not the imagequality.

Heck, any budget DSLR you buy will have better imagequality than my D2H!


EDIt: Squeeker, ***. I have never, ever seen a fashion shoot with 18-55 kitlenses. Not only are those lenses generally less sharp, they are also for cropped sensor bodies, and let's not mention the crappy perspective you get with the relative wide-ness of that lens. Also, the small aperture makes it near-impossible to get the background out of focus.

Most portraits are shot with tele lenses, like the 70-200 F/2.8, or the dedicated 105mm F/2 types. The 85 1.4 is also a great choice to get that extra background creamyness.

And then there's of course the lighting setup. Think:
-infinity wall
-softboxes
-reflectors
-assistants
-hair lights
Well lets just forget budget at the moment. I can always save and add glass. So what bodies would you recommend for what I want to do? I will be starting off just doing casual/contests/trips/reports/weddings, and hopefully working my way into other things. I know some girls that are aspiring models and others would do shoots just for the experience and copies of the work for their portfolio. Also, I want to do shots worthy of a movie poster or magazines at some point as well. You can see my mind track in progression.

I am not asking to go straight to the latter mentioned shoots or pictures, but keeping that progression in mind will help me start with a proper body and a decent piece of glass. Accessories and other glass later.

Also, are the things like the Hasselblad even needed? I feel like you can do shots like that in magazines and ads without those. Much work is also done in Photoshop anyway.
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Sorry, have to disagree with you there. In terms of imagequality, it's definitely a smeipro/pro camera. that's not where the difference lies.

The difference is in the handling. It has a plastic body, is not very weather resistant, lacks buttons to quickly change settings, and does not have a top screen.

I have both a D90 (semipro), and a D2H (as pro as you can get), and even between those there's quite a difference in handling.

@roddimusprime:

It's not about the camera! For fashion shoots, they generally use Hasselblad's, or the high res pro bodies from CaNikon (D3x, 1DsMkIII).
However, you don't need those. Even the cheapest camera is able to produce high quality shots. The difference is in the handling. I went outside with my D2H for some snow shots. The camera fell in the snow, got covered in ice, and it even had a small puddle of water in the lens hood.

And it survived, and the battery did not suffer 1% from the cold. That's the difference between a pro body and a budget body, not imagequality

My point is that you can quickly grow out of an entry-level body. I have handled them after shooting professionally with the D2H and D90, and I was ready to tear my hair out. I really missed the top screen and the dedicated buttons, and the larger grip, not the imagequality.

Heck, any budget DSLR you buy will have better imagequality than my D2H!


EDIt: Squeeker, ***. I have never, ever seen a fashion shoot with 18-55 kitlenses. Not only are those lenses generally less sharp, they are also for cropped sensor bodies, and let's not mention the crappy perspective you get with the relative wide-ness of that lens. Also, the small aperture makes it near-impossible to get the background out of focus.

Most portraits are shot with tele lenses, like the 70-200 F/2.8, or the dedicated 105mm F/2 types. The 85 1.4 is also a great choice to get that extra background creamyness.

And then there's of course the lighting setup. Think:
-infinity wall
-softboxes
-reflectors
-assistants
-hair lights

hence the reason i said im by no means a pro at all, i just was going off what i have read and have been told by others on others on camera forums.....im still trying to decide on what camera i want to step up to from my s5-is point and shoot......you seem like a knowledgeable guy, i may have to bug you later for some info!!
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Well lets just forget budget at the moment. I can always save and add glass. So what bodies would you recommend for what I want to do? I will be starting off just doing casual/contests/trips/reports/weddings, and hopefully working my way into other things. I know some girls that are aspiring models and others would do shoots just for the experience and copies of the work for their portfolio. Also, I want to do shots worthy of a movie poster or magazines at some point as well. You can see my mind track in progression.

I am not asking to go straight to the latter mentioned shoots or pictures, but keeping that progression in mind will help me start with a proper body and a decent piece of glass. Accessories and other glass later.

Also, are the things like the Hasselblad even needed? I feel like you can do shots like that in magazines and ads without those. Much work is also done in Photoshop anyway.
First, you can't photoshop a crappy picture into something great. It's true that photographs in magazines are photoshopped, but they were good pictures to begin with.

Second, the only thing that sticks out in your needs is the wedding photography. That means you'd need a camera with good low light, high ISO performance. The 40D/50D/60D/T2i all will meet your needs spectacularly.

I'd still think that given your needs, a 24-70mm f/2.8L will be great for your work.
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First, you can't photoshop a crappy picture into something great. It's true that photographs in magazines are photoshopped, but they were good pictures to begin with.

Second, the only thing that sticks out in your needs is the wedding photography. That means you'd need a camera with good low light, high ISO performance. The 40D/50D/60D/T2i all will meet your needs spectacularly.

I'd still think that given your needs, a 24-70mm f/2.8L will be great for your work.
First, I didn't say you could photoshop a crappy picture. However, many are photoshopped be it a crappy or good shot. And of course how many celebs are air brushed to hell and back?

Second, while the setup you suggest may be decent for what I "need" do you think it will take crappy pictures? Will it be good coupled with decent glass to break into the more progressive things I want to do later on?
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Second, while the setup you suggest may be decent for what I "need" do you think it will take crappy pictures? Will it be good coupled with decent glass to break into the more progressive things I want to do later on?
The setup I suggested is definitely capable of taking some very great pictures. Check out sample 40D, 50D, 60D, and T2i shots here, as well as sample 24-70mm f/2.8L shots here.

The equipment I suggested is very much capable of taking amazing shots, and honestly the only determining factor in the image quality with this sort of setup is your own skill and not the equipment itself.
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The setup I suggested is definitely capable of taking some very great pictures. Check out sample 40D, 50D, 60D, and T2i shots here, as well as sample 24-70mm f/2.8L shots here.

The equipment I suggested is very much capable of taking amazing shots, and honestly the only determining factor in the image quality with this sort of setup is your own skill and not the equipment itself.
Sweet links... thanks.... I don't suppose there is a link for Nikon is there?

Seriously though, does Canon typically do better than Nikon in the range I am looking at? Or should I say their glass?
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Sweet links... thanks.... I don't suppose there is a link for Nikon is there?

Seriously though, does Canon typically do better than Nikon in the range I am looking at? Or should I say their glass?
Nikon generally has more expensive glass than Canon, but their current bodies are better than Canon's in terms of features/price. In terms of image quality, the two are mostly the same.

Unfortunately, I can't really help you with Nikon since I'm a Canon shooter myself so I know much more about Canon than I do Nikon. There are some very knowledgeable Nikon shooters on here though who can definitely help you out as well.
post #18 of 24
The big advantage of the Hasselblad's is the huge resolution they can offer (I think 30-50 megapixels is the standard for those cameras nowadays). This means the graphics guy has an immensely detailed source image to work with, even if the full resolution is not needed for the print.

That said, I mainly shoot with my 4.1 megapixel D2H (I shoot mostly for the web, not prints). Reincarnated has some sound advice, a secondhand 40D (or D90) would be greta bodies to look at (I got a bit confused with the dollars v.s. euros).

@reincarnated: I do think there is a difference between semipro and pro cameras (build quality and ergonomics, mostly). However, the term "Professional" is very often used for marketing, I agree with you on that.
    
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Just my 2 cents. i don't own or pretend to know anything about professional cameras.. I own a Canon EOS Rebel. Very basic. But from what i've read one of the big differences between canon and nikon is that nikon does a little bit better with flash
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Just my 2 cents. i don't own or pretend to know anything about professional cameras.. I own a Canon EOS Rebel. Very basic. But from what i've read one of the big differences between canon and nikon is that nikon does a little bit better with flash
Not really. Onboard flash between both brands (or really, between any brands) suck equally.
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