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I have windows-7 64-bit, Lizard. If I can benchmark better and prepares my PC for future games better, I will get an extra 4 gig of ram.

My brother claims that my CPU will act as a bottleneck though, and I cant seem to OC it past 3.16ghz without it blue screening.
Right, but it actually needs to be installed (or is it installed?). And GTA IV should run with no problems on 7. Though its not going to be worth it with that card.

There are a handful of games that would be slightly bottle-necked by that CPU. With most FPS games it will not be a factor.
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Right, but it actually needs to be installed (or is it installed?). And GTA IV should run with no problems on 7. Though its not going to be worth it with that card.
I could install it today if I wanted to, right now its not installed. Windows-7 was my main O/S til I got GTA IV and couldn't run it, even with a fresh reformat.

I spent hours on the phone with Rockstar and am convinced that GTA IV will not work with Windows-7 after several reformats and following advice on forums about getting it to work with Windows-7, it would not work, but it works quite easily with vista with no installation issues, albeit, I have to play it on low settings.

Oh and I dont really do FPS's anymore, 7 years of playing those got me bored of them. I mainly looking forward to this brand new WWII flight sim that is coming out to utilize my $1500 in flight-sim hardware, as well as RTS's like CoH and 3rd person shooter game, GTA IV. I think most of the games Im talking about are more demanding than even the most up to date FPS.
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I talked to my brother that installed most of the PC components and he said that with the gargantuan CPU cooling fan is what gets in the way. I can not fit anymore Ram in my slots, but it looks like I have a couple more that could be utilized if there was space. Ill let you be the judge of it with this side pic of the MoBo/CPU/GPU configuration.


So can I upgrade my ram with 4 better sticks of ram, or should I remove the components that get in the way of me installing the extra ram, Im thinking the CPU cooling fan, but I was really focused on getting a decent OC on my CPU when I bought that fan and I can only muster 3.16 it seems without running into reliability issues, although that may have been because I had someone inexperienced with PC building, install the thermal gel on the CPU.

I can use the current cooler master P/S as a stop gap while I order a better p/s, and auction off the parts I don't need on ebay. ALl I knew at the time was that I did not have a PC that would work without replacing the 7 year old 500w antec P/S that was dying on me, so I had to get whatever was available.
I am FAIRLY sure this is right, if I am wrong and the color coding does not matter, let me know. (All of my motherboards have required the proper slots to be used for dual channel)

If you continue to use just two sticks of ram, make SURE you cannot use the two left slots. If you can get a stick into there, running the sticks in their proper color coded slots (red and red or yellow and yellow) will let them run in dual channel- giving you a bit of a speed boost. In fact, if that was my PC I would see if I could move a stick over one slot right now prior to upgrading in order to get the better speed now while waiting for upgrades...

Dual channel will not improve anything to an extreme, but it will help a bit. As for the effort needed, it probably isnt too much, as it looks to me like the red slot is clear... shift the ram over one slot!

(Also- when using 4 sticks of ram- if they are not all identical, I think you should put the pairs in their proper slots- which yes, would mean that they would alternate. However, I dont know if that is at all necessary)
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Right, but it actually needs to be installed (or is it installed?). And GTA IV should run with no problems on 7. Though its not going to be worth it with that card.

There are a handful of games that would be slightly bottle-necked by that CPU. With most newly released FPS games it will not be a factor.

i think any quad core should get reasonable performance with any single GPU today.

it's multi-GPU is where the bottleneck starts to show.
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I spent hours on the phone with Rockstar and am convinced that GTA IV will not work with Windows-7
I'm not surprised their tech support was no help. Usually such persons are roughly competent enough to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. My friend had a little trouble installing it on his machine, but he did get it to work. I think he had to use XP SP2 compatibility mode, then he patched the game and it ran just fine. If I can reach him tonight I'll ask him about it.

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i think any quad core should get reasonable performance with any single GPU today.

it's multi-GPU is where the bottleneck starts to show.
Unless you are talking about the original Phenom 9500 and 9600 with the wonky core that had be patched for stability. Fortunately, what he has is a far cry from that.

When I said "slightly" bottlenecked I meant something like a difference between getting 65 FPS and 70 FPS and is only on a minority of CPU-intensive games.
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I am FAIRLY sure this is right, if I am wrong and the color coding does not matter, let me know. (All of my motherboards have required the proper slots to be used for dual channel)

If you continue to use just two sticks of ram, make SURE you cannot use the two left slots. If you can get a stick into there, running the sticks in their proper color coded slots (red and red or yellow and yellow) will let them run in dual channel- giving you a bit of a speed boost. In fact, if that was my PC I would see if I could move a stick over one slot right now prior to upgrading in order to get the better speed now while waiting for upgrades...

Dual channel will not improve anything to an extreme, but it will help a bit. As for the effort needed, it probably isnt too much, as it looks to me like the red slot is clear... shift the ram over one slot!

(Also- when using 4 sticks of ram- if they are not all identical, I think you should put the pairs in their proper slots- which yes, would mean that they would alternate. However, I dont know if that is at all necessary)
Thanks for the tip, but I Just posted in the Intel Motherboard section asking about getting 2 sticks of DDR3 4x2gig RAM, but my MoBo could handle 4 sticks of 2x4 RAM.
Edited by Lezbianseagull - 12/23/10 at 5:17pm
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Jesus man, why do you even worry about benchmarks? a gtx470 and your current CPU/ RAM will play all the latest games at high settings...........
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I got windows 7 ready, but I have to use Vista to play GTA IV as I was on the phone with Rockstar for hours trying to get it to work with 7, I found it was impossible.

In the pic, doesn't it look like I canteven install more than 4 gigs of ram because of the CPU Fan?

I have a dualpartitioned harddrive so I can always install it on the other partition.
1) You can easily fit 4 sticks of RAM with that cooler.
2) GTA IV plays just fine on Windows 7. I don't know what the guys at Rockstar were smoking.
3) Get 4GB of RAM, DDR2-800 or 1066 or better with as tight of timings as possible.
4) Overclock that CPU as high as you can safely.
5) Get a new GPU and PSU. That CoolerMaster unit isn't that great, and could potentially kill off your system.

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Your system is fine, just upgrade that gpu, The GTX 470 at $250 and GTX 570 at $350 are your best bets, both will be fine for pretty much any game, the 570 gives you 480 performance at a good price with much lower power consumption and heat.
This as well.
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@OP:

4 Gigs of RAM is plenty fine for the moment, your G.Skill 1000Mhz is a decent speed at least with tightish (5-5-5-15) timings.
They could be better, but for the price of DDR2 RAM nowadays, you can leave the RAM until you get a new DDR3 Mobo and CPU.

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Thanks for the tip, but I Just posted in the Intel Motherboard section asking about getting 2 sticks of DDR3 4x2gig RAM, but my MoBo could handle 4 sticks of 2x4 RAM.
Your Mobo can handle up to 8GB of RAM AFAIK (4x 2GB sticks) but you can't use DDR3 RAM in a DDR2 Mobo, while DDR2 RAM goes up to 1200Mhz, 800-1066 are pretty much as good as it gets 'til you get a new Mobo/CPU and make use of DDR3.

Stick to your 64-bit Win7 install, it'll be faster than Vista's 32-bit and fully utilize your RAM.
GTA IV should work fine in it, others are using Win7 and gaming on it.

As far as immediate upgrades are concerned, I dunno about your temps on your CPU, but if they're golden I'd suggest taking it off, re-applying the TIM (BTW Shin-Etsu is the stuff you asked about earlier, though Arctic Silver 5 is also a good one), and remounting it. Though the CM Hyper 212+ is a very good cooler for the price.
Your instability at 3.16Ghz is most likely due to it requiring more voltages, an overclock of 3.5Ghz should be good enough to not see any adverse effect with a 470/570+. I suggest seeing if you're able to squeeze a little more outta it (please read the OCing tutorials and guidelines here if you've not yet gone into voltages, especially for your series of CPU as different architectures and brands AMD/Intel will have a lower CPU limit. If you already know this, my apologies.)

Other than the GPU, and more of a CPU OC, a 60 or an 80GB SSD will probably be beneficial to you, you'll boot into Windows alot faster and your game loading times will decrease severely, aswell as any programs you might use.
The PC in general will feel alot quicker.

It sounds like that CM PSU is relatively new? While it's not the best, it will probably suffice your new build for a little while.
However a good Corsair HX750 or 700W range from this potato's list:- http://www.overclock.net/power-suppl...-supplies.html would be something I'd also look into just to be safe.

Also pioneerisloud is pretty well knowledgeable about PSU's, if he recommends something else, I'd probably try to put that up on your list also.
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1) You can easily fit 4 sticks of RAM with that cooler.
Doesn't look that way in the photo. If you are right that would be good, because that Zalman (I think its a Zalman) is ideal for overclocking.

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2) GTA IV plays just fine on Windows 7. I don't know what the guys at Rockstar were smoking.
This is mostly true, but some people have had trouble installing it in 64-bit OS.

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5) Get a new GPU and PSU. That CoolerMaster unit isn't that great, and could potentially kill off your system.
Was thinking the same thing.
    
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