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Faster for a browser is all relative, when loading times are so close that its goes almsot unnoticed it doesnt matter that its faster.
Faster doesn't have to mean better in benchmarks. I know that on an underpowered computer like my netbook, Chrome and Opera open significantly faster than Internet Explorer.

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Besides the fact that the average user and even advance users (like myself) dont care about customizing our browsers.
Huh? I guess over 10,000 extensions and 1,500 themes for Chrome alone don't mean much. Did I mention that a single Firefox extension (AdBlock) has over 104 million downloads?

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And the secure browsers argument is a vassle argument, just like people who argue that Apple is more secure, its less to do with security and more to do with popularity.
I agree that popularity does affect how much attention a browser receives (from both the media and hackers), but the fact still remains that most other browsers are safer from attackers and malicious software.

I remember reading an article about the 2009 CanSecWest security conference, where hackers destroyed Safari (on a Mac), IE, and Firefox with ease thanks to code execution holes. Nobody even attempted Chrome because of it's sandbox feature.
 
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i used firefox for about 3 years then switched back to ie. i don't know why. i mean they're all god damn internet browsers and nothing more.
Yeah, it's not like you can get viruses, worms, trojans, or malware by surfing the net...
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I don't care about security differences between the browsers. I care about page rendering. IE8 still can't render many pages correctly, although it's not nearly as bad as IE7 and older. Plus it has no support for CSS3, which only Firefox does well but which Chrome can sort of do.
    
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Yeah, it's not like you can get viruses, worms, trojans, or malware by surfing the net...
never have, never will.

all browsers are vulnerable to malware/spyware/viruses. the best prevention is to educate people on how to safely browse and not advertise third party browsers as "safer".
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I'll just leave these here.




I don't even use IE, but I don't like ignorant statements.
To your first picture, the graph title speaks for it's self:

"Mean block rate for Socially Engineered malware"

Says nothing about drive by infections, just whether or not the program helps keep dumb people from running "Free_Porn.jpg.exe"

"To better understand what this means. We need to first understand how this type of protection works. Basically, each of these browsers use a cloud based reputation system that helps determine if a URL contains malware. In the case of IE8, it uses Microsoft’s SmartScreen reputation system which is a huge database in the sky about Internet based abuse. For other browsers, they all pretty much use the reputation information provided by Google's SafeBrowsing Initiative via the SafeBrowsing API."

And as to the second picture, IDK who Bit9 is, but simply putting a number on 'reported security vulnerabilities' doesn't mean squat. Simply googling "most secure browser 2010" yields Chrome, Opera, and IE as the most secure in one way or another.

Until Bit9 is willing to release the metrics they used to gauge how secure one browser is over another, I'll stick with my sandboxed Chrome.
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never have, never will.

all browsers are vulnerable to malware/spyware/viruses. the best prevention is to educate people on how to safely browse and not advertise third party browsers as "safer".
What if it's true? Like the fact that Chrome is run in a sandbox?

The common problem all infections have are naive users. Gone are the days of drive by infections being the most common form of infection. Now, it's all socially engineered, so you think your getting free AV software, but really all your getting is a free trip to the computer repair shop [or a phone call to the nearest tech geek].
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The problem with IE is not that it's popular by choice, but for years IE had locked a TON of web-based services into IE, thus most companies were forced to use it if they wanted their databases and web-apps to work.

IE has always, and probably always will be a pile of crap when it comes to security.

I remember when Omniweb 4.5 had tabs, first out of the gate. God, it was the perfect browser, and back then you really only had IE, Mozilla (no, not Firefox, MOZILLA), and a few other tiny browsers out there.

Now there's several choices, with Chrome and Safari being the leaders in rendering (since they use the same engines) and Firefox and Opera being preferential to end-users over IE. Hell, my IT department (in a world-wide company, mind you) has even stated that as soon as the company shells out the money to upgrade the Servers, their going to Chrome.
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Faster doesn't have to mean better in benchmarks. I know that on an underpowered computer like my netbook, Chrome and Opera open significantly faster than Internet Explorer.


Huh? I guess over 10,000 extensions and 1,500 themes for Chrome alone don't mean much. Did I mention that a single Firefox extension (AdBlock) has over 104 million downloads?


I agree that popularity does affect how much attention a browser receives (from both the media and hackers), but the fact still remains that most other browsers are safer from attackers and malicious software.

I remember reading an article about the 2009 CanSecWest security conference, where hackers destroyed Safari (on a Mac), IE, and Firefox with ease thanks to code execution holes. Nobody even attempted Chrome because of it's sandbox feature.
Ill go through point by point:

1) I dont doubt that on specific systems something may preform better or not, but in my situation there is no difference in load times that are noticable, so when someone blindly mentions that one is faster than another, the true question is: Does it really matter? In my case, not at all.

2) I dont care how many themes and extensions the other browsers have. I don't have a use for them. I dislike themes as I prefer the overall Windows Aero look and I have no need nor want for other extensions. I dont care that AdBlock has 100+ million downloads, how does that effect me at all?

3) About no one going after Chrome due to sandbox doesnt prove that its more secure, just that its reputation is that it adds more security. But this is just like the DRM argument for protecting games and movies. Companies can try and make their products 'more secure'. That doesnt mean someone wont find away around it. And at the moment hackers are very content hitting the biggest target market with their code, and that is not Chrome.
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Been fiddling with IE9 64-bit lately. It's actually pretty damn speedy, especially with the GPU-acceleration of embedded pics and videos. I primarily use Chrome, but IE9 64-bit seems much, much better than previous IE offerings.
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Ill go through point by point:

1) I dont doubt that on specific systems something may preform better or not, but in my situation there is no difference in load times that are noticable, so when someone blindly mentions that one is faster than another, the true question is: Does it really matter? In my case, not at all.
My original statement was that IE is slower in most aspects, and while it's a negligible difference on a modern desktop (such as yours), most of the world uses laptops and netbooks and aging desktops. Ditching IE on an eMachines desktop or 4 year old Dell laptop will make a difference.

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2) I dont care how many themes and extensions the other browsers have. I don't have a use for them. I dislike themes as I prefer the overall Windows Aero look and I have no need nor want for other extensions. I dont care that AdBlock has 100+ million downloads, how does that effect me at all?
Lol, you previously said, and I quote, "the average user and even advance users (like myself) dont care about customizing our browsers". While you may not use extensions or themes, millions of other "average and advanced users" do. If so few people care about customization, why are there thousands of extensions?

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3) About no one going after Chrome due to sandbox doesnt prove that its more secure, just that its reputation is that it adds more security.
These hackers didn't walk in and try to crack them for the very first time... they've obviously done it before. The reason nobody tried to break Chrome is none of them had been able to do it before, and they weren't going to waste their time trying again at a conference.

A lot of these guys are experts and professionals; they're not going to be "scared" of Chrome's reputation. They've tried and failed before, simple as that.
 
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