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can I put in those settings in the BIOS? same Mobo, different CPU
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can I put in those settings in the BIOS? same Mobo, different CPU
Yes, you could, but you'd be better off setting everything at stock and starting over. As others have said, 1.4v+ is way too much juice for only 3.8 GHz and you don't really need that much memory speed. Your temperature problems are directly related to the overvoltage. As a reference, I've got a i7 950 that is a poor overclocker and it needs 1.41875v in BIOS to get to 4 GHz.

If you'd like to start over, here's a quick and dirty guide:

Return everything to default settings. Load Windows and stress the CPU under Prime95 Small FFT. Note temperatures and voltage under load. Write these down. The voltage under load is your approximate VID; share this with us once you find it.

Next, go back into BIOS and set voltage manually to what you saw under load in Windows but leave the CPU speed at stock, multiplier 23x and turbo disabled. Set the RAM manually to the manufacturer's specified timings and voltage at the lowest divider, 1:6 or 1:8 depending on your system. Load up Prime95 Small FFT and make sure everything works at stock settings. Note temperatures again.

Now we're going to try overclocking. Go back into BIOS and manually set your 10 MHz higher than stock. Keep everything else the same. Go into Windows and run Prime95 Small FFT for 5 - 10 minutes. Monitor temperatures while under load. Do this until you either can't load Windows or you get a crash or freeze. When you do, increase CPU voltage until it's can finish all of the 8k tests.

Stop at this point and report back to us with CPU speed and voltage settings. There's lots of other tweaks and tests we can help you with, but that's the quick and dirty way to get started.

EDIT: You should also set your fans to max speed in the BIOS while testing. You can always turn them down later if they're too loud, but you want to avoid overheating to the greatest extent possible while testing.
Edited by kremtok - 12/23/10 at 5:13pm
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Okay, thanks alot for the input, I will try that.

Do I need to redo my Silver arrow on the motherboard?
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Yes, you could, but you'd be better off setting everything at stock and starting over. As others have said, 1.4v+ is way too much juice for only 3.8 GHz and you don't really need that much memory speed. Your temperature problems are directly related to the overvoltage. As a reference, I've got a i7 950 that is a poor overclocker and it needs 1.41875v in BIOS to get to 4 GHz.

If you'd like to start over, here's a quick and dirty guide:

Return everything to default settings. Load Windows and stress the CPU under Prime95 Small FFT. Note temperatures and voltage under load. Write these down. The voltage under load is your approximate VID; share this with us once you find it.

Next, go back into BIOS and set voltage manually to what you saw under load in Windows but leave the CPU speed at stock, multiplier 23x and turbo disabled. Set the RAM manually to the manufacturer's specified timings and voltage at the lowest divider, 1:6 or 1:8 depending on your system. Load up Prime95 Small FFT and make sure everything works at stock settings. Note temperatures again.

Now we're going to try overclocking. Go back into BIOS and manually set your 10 MHz higher than stock. Keep everything else the same. Go into Windows and run Prime95 Small FFT for 5 - 10 minutes. Monitor temperatures while under load. Do this until you either can't load Windows or you get a crash or freeze. When you do, increase CPU voltage until it's can finish all of the 8k tests.

Stop at this point and report back to us with CPU speed and voltage settings. There's lots of other tweaks and tests we can help you with, but that's the quick and dirty way to get started.

EDIT: You should also set your fans to max speed in the BIOS while testing. You can always turn them down later if they're too loud, but you want to avoid overheating to the greatest extent possible while testing.
Okay I tried setting multiplier to 23.0 and Vcore to 1.3V,
CPU was at 4.1Ghz
so I ran prime95 and BSOD instantly.

Then I set everything to system default in BIOS and booted windows and ran prime95 for 10min:
temps at idle: 33C
temps under load (in prime95 smallFFTs): 55C never above 60C
voltage under load: 1.26V
temps and volts according to CPUID Hardware monitor.

temps seems normal if I look at this review
Edited by lem_ - 12/24/10 at 3:08am
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Right then. So it looks like the problem wasn't with your cooler, though those temperatures do seem a bit high for stock settings. What is the ambient temperature and did you turn up the fan speeds?

That VID isn't great, but then again it isn't terrible either, so you will probably be able to get to 3.8 GHz easily and 4.0 GHz without much more effort. Do you plan to continue the overclocking adventure?
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1.41vCore is incredibly high for 3.8GHz on a i7. ._.
     
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Right then. So it looks like the problem wasn't with your cooler, though those temperatures do seem a bit high for stock settings. What is the ambient temperature and did you turn up the fan speeds?

That VID isn't great, but then again it isn't terrible either, so you will probably be able to get to 3.8 GHz easily and 4.0 GHz without much more effort. Do you plan to continue the overclocking adventure?
I would like to get to 4Ghz , but 3.8Ghz would also be alright, just not stock .
I mainly just play games, you said something about dirty overclock, how would a clean overclock be?
ambient temp 25C , ambient is room temp right?
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A cleaner, more time consuming process would start with what I posted before, but then adjusting other voltages as necessary and bringing RAM into the equation, as well. Go with the mini-guide that I gave you for now and let us know how that goes. Once you get to a point where simply increasing your CPU core voltage doesn't help, then we start looking at other things.
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Yeah... no wonder it's running hot. I concur with the 1.3 vcore and qpi could probably settle at 1.35.

You'll have that sucker cooled down in no time. How did you apply the paste?
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Thanks for the help so far kremtok, much appreciated

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Yeah... no wonder it's running hot. I concur with the 1.3 vcore and qpi could probably settle at 1.35.

You'll have that sucker cooled down in no time. How did you apply the paste?
The shore that build my PC applied the paste, I know it's a fail that I didnt build it myself, but I just got into PC's and Overclocking fairly recently, so I didnt want to risk it

the fans are pulling position each heatsink to make place for the RAM fins, but apparently it wouldnt make such a difference.

Back to the overclocking,
Where do I check the Vcore voltage in windows? Im using Hardware monitor atm to check temps and CPU Vcore, is that okay?
is MAX CPU Vcore in CPUID hardware monitor my VID?
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