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But having never really overclocked before besides increasing the FSB, I don't know how to proceed with it
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Thanks. The main reason I'd want to upgrade the processor is to get something with a higher clock speed, so if I overclocked this enough I'd be a lot more likely to want to stick with it.

Do you think there's any more speed I can squeeze out of this motherboard?
I would say get 2nd hand Q6600 G0 and some 2nd hand X38/X48/P35/P45 mobo (Gigabyte or Asus), decent cooling (Hyper212+ would do just fine)..

Your ram would be OK as for 3.6GHz on Q6600 you need only 400MHz FSB x9..

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I would say get 2nd hand Q6600 G0 and some 2nd hand X38/X48/P35/P45 mobo (Gigabyte or Asus), decent cooling (Hyper212+ would do just fine)..

Your ram would be OK as for 3.6GHz on Q6600 you need only 400MHz FSB x9..

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Do you think with a 3.6GHz Q6600 and the RAM bumped up to 900+ I would notice a significant difference?

Obviously that would save me quite a bit of money over an i5 setup, it's just whether or not it's worth upgrading.
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Drop CPU multi to 6x,

set ram to 667MHz,

Add vNB +0.1V

Disable all CPU functions like EIST,C1E,SpedStep,Virtuallisation etc..

Set your RAM timings manually to the specs..

Lock PCIE freq to 100MHz

And keep upping FSB freq by 10MHz,boot to OS (if it can) an test with P95 LARGE FFT 30 min..
If it passes then reboot to BIOS and upp FSB again and test it and so on..

When mobo fails to BOOT then add some more vNB and try to boot again..

If upping vNB doest help then ty to upp PCIE freq to 103MHz and to boot again..

Also you can try to add some vFSB/VTT Termination voltage but only if you`re getting close to 400MHz FSB mark and want to try for more..

If that doesn`t help then you`ve hit FSB wall of the board..

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Do you think with a 3.6GHz Q6600 and the RAM bumped up to 900+ I would notice a significant difference?

Obviously that would save me quite a bit of money over an i5 setup, it's just whether or not it's worth upgrading.
It would be much faster allaround in games and media..

And Q6600 has 8MB of cache vs 4MB of Q8200 so that would help significantly in games..

And 1.3GHz more on the CPU is no brainer = MUCH FASTER..

400MHz FSB on the system = MUCH FASTER and SNAPIER..

Q6600 G0 is a GREAT CPU especially @ 3.6GHz..

I would go for it as it would cost you 200USD (MAX) and when you sell your stuff you would be set..

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Drop CPU multi to 6x,

set ram to 667MHz,

Add vNB +0.1V

Disable all CPU functions like EIST,C1E,SpedStep,Virtuallisation etc..

Set your RAM timings manually to the specs..

Lock PCIE freq to 100MHz

And keep upping FSB freq by 10MHz,boot to OS (if it can) an test with P95 LARGE FFT 30 min..
If it passes then reboot to BIOS and upp FSB again and test it and so on..

When mobo fails to BOOT then add some more vNB and try to boot again..

If upping vNB doest help then ty to upp PCIE freq to 103MHz and to boot again..

Also you can try to add some vFSB/VTT Termination voltage but only if you`re getting close to 400MHz FSB mark and want to try for more..

If that doesn`t help then you`ve hit FSB wall of the board..

CHEERS..
ellis this is just what we've been doing

I still think we can get it to go a little further.

but yeah i'd try to get a P35 board and a Q6xxx. You'd notice a massive improvement, not to mention you'll be able to play with stuff more, by that I mean overclocking wise. haha
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Drop CPU multi to 6x,

set ram to 667MHz,

Add vNB +0.1V

Disable all CPU functions like EIST,C1E,SpedStep,Virtuallisation etc..

Set your RAM timings manually to the specs..

Lock PCIE freq to 100MHz

And keep upping FSB freq by 10MHz,boot to OS (if it can) an test with P95 LARGE FFT 30 min..
If it passes then reboot to BIOS and upp FSB again and test it and so on..

When mobo fails to BOOT then add some more vNB and try to boot again..

If upping vNB doest help then ty to upp PCIE freq to 103MHz and to boot again..

Also you can try to add some vFSB/VTT Termination voltage but only if you`re getting close to 400MHz FSB mark and want to try for more..

If that doesn`t help then you`ve hit FSB wall of the board..

CHEERS..
Tried that but to no avail.

RAM at 667 6-6-6-18
CPU at 343 1.3125v
NB at 1.35v
VTT at 1.30v
All crap disabled (EIST etc.)
PCI-E at 100
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It would be much faster allaround in games and media..

And Q6600 has 8MB of cache vs 4MB of Q8200 so that would help significantly in games..

And 1.3GHz more on the CPU is no brainer = MUCH FASTER..

400MHz FSB on the system = MUCH FASTER and SNAPIER..

Q6600 G0 is a GREAT CPU especially @ 3.6GHz..

I would go for it as it would cost you 200USD (MAX) and when you sell your stuff you would be set..

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ellis this is just what we've been doing

I still think we can get it to go a little further.

but yeah i'd try to get a P35 board and a Q6xxx. You'd notice a massive improvement, not to mention you'll be able to play with stuff more, by that I mean overclocking wise. haha
Hmm. I'm really not sure about getting a Q6600. It just seems like there might not be much point considering that I'll probably be able to get an i5 for not much more money. I was wondering if it would even be worth spending more to get an i5 for the performance it would give me when using the system etc. but I think I can safely assume that would be worth it.

So does increasing the FSB give you a performance boost on its own then? (let's say on a Q6600, 266x9 vs 300*8, would the higher FSB = better performance?)
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If all else remains equal, yes. Since the entire system is operating at a faster speed.

:edit:
with your current CPU and a P35 board you could easily do 3.0Ghz...
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If all else remains equal, yes. Since the entire system is operating at a faster speed.

:edit:
with your current CPU and a P35 board you could easily do 3.0Ghz...
I am aware of this, which is why I thought about getting a UD3P and then clocking to 3.0GHz+ and 1000MHz+ on the RAM (which apparently it can do).

Then I realised that I probably wouldn't get much more performance and I decided that it most likely wasn't worth the price and effort of getting a new board. There would be other things that would be better about the board, yeah. I'd like more SATA and USB ports, etc. but the main reason I would be upgrading would be for the overclockability.
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So does increasing the FSB give you a performance boost on its own then? (let's say on a Q6600, 266x9 vs 300*8, would the higher FSB = better performance?)
Yes higher FSB = better system performance..

Why did you run 6-6-6-18 timings? Is that CL6 800MHz RAM?

You should decie if you`re up to upgrade and for what upgrade..

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with your current CPU and a P35 board you could easily do 3.0Ghz...
Well for 3.0GHz Q8200 needs 427MHz FSB and that would not be able on any P35 mobo..

And Q8200 is a low binned chip that probably has a low FSB wall and needs VERY GOOD mobo with all the right OC options in BIOS for high FSB OCing (like CPU GTL ref`s,vFSB etc..)

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