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Getting ready to build a couple of shrouded TA sandwiches, Noiseblocker fans all around ...



Edited by adamlau - 12/25/10 at 5:02am
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I don't even want to think about how much you spent on those fans...

Why not Gentle Typhoons? Cheaper and quieter.
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Why not Gentle Typhoons? Cheaper and quieter.
Because not everyone likes to be trendy.
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That and the desire for superior build quality and performance according to mfr specifications:

MP12-SH3 vs. GT AP-15

GT AP-15 = 57.68 cfm @ 28dba
MP12-SH3 = 87 m3/h = 4379 cu ft/h / 60 min/hr = 72.98 cfm @ 27 dba

GT AP-15 = 20 Pa of static pressure
NB-MP12-SH3 = 2.3 mm-H20 (min) = 22.5 Pa

MP12-P vs. GT AP-15

GT AP-15 = 98 m3/h = 3460.8 cu ft/h / 60 min/hr = 57.68 cfm @ 28dba
MP12-P (2000 RPM) = 133 m3/h = 4696.8 cu ft/h / 60 min/hr = 78.28 cfm @ 29 dba

Assuming a low estimate of < 2.838 mm-H20 as the 2.3 mm-H20 of the MP-SH3:

GT AP-15 = 20 Pa of static pressure
MP12-P (2000 RPM) = 2.3 mm-H20 (min) = 22.5 Pa (min)
NB-MP12-P (2000 RPM) = 2.8 mm-H20 (max) = 27.4 Pa (max)
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Very nice.

Ordering my loop as a present for myself tomorrow,
    
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Originally Posted by adamlau View Post
That and the desire for superior build quality and performance according to mfr specifications:

MP12-SH3 vs. GT AP-15

GT AP-15 = 57.68 cfm @ 28dba
MP12-SH3 = 87 m3/h = 4379 cu ft/h / 60 min/hr = 72.98 cfm @ 27 dba

GT AP-15 = 20 Pa of static pressure
NB-MP12-SH3 = 2.3 mm-H20 (min) = 22.5 Pa

MP12-P vs. GT AP-15

GT AP-15 = 98 m3/h = 3460.8 cu ft/h / 60 min/hr = 57.68 cfm @ 28dba
MP12-P (2000 RPM) = 133 m3/h = 4696.8 cu ft/h / 60 min/hr = 78.28 cfm @ 29 dba

Assuming a low estimate of < 2.838 mm-H20 as the 2.3 mm-H20 of the MP-SH3:

GT AP-15 = 20 Pa of static pressure
MP12-P (2000 RPM) = 2.3 mm-H20 (min) = 22.5 Pa (min)
NB-MP12-P (2000 RPM) = 2.8 mm-H20 (max) = 27.4 Pa (max)
Manufactures specifications are wrong are totally overrated. Find a reputable third party review that puts the noiseblocker ahead of the Gentle Typhoon.

Martin did some nice fan testing recently, and while he didn't test that particular model of Noiseblocker he did test the Gentle Typoon:



And two other noiseblocker fans:





Both of those models performed much worse than their supposed manufacturer specifications. I see proof to show that Noiseblocker hasn't done the same thing for your fans and overrated their noise levels.

The Gentle Typhoons also use a ball bearing, whereas the Noiseblockers use a sleeve.

I'm not saying you should return the fans you bought, as I think you'll be extremely satisfied with them. They are still excellent fans as those graphs show, much better than average. I just don't like to see people compare manufacturer specifications like they are correct.
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Not that I blindly trust mfr specs (does anyone?) but with no verifiable third-party results for the M12-P, I only had published data to go off of . But I understand your point and appreciate the input .

Quote:
Originally Posted by charliehorse55 View Post
Find a reputable third party review that puts the [N]oiseblocker ahead of the Gentle Typhoon.
If I were looking for fans with a focus on build quality and performance in the 2K max RPM range, the charts above would put the M12-SH3-HS ahead of the AP-14. As I see it, the M-12-SH3-HS generally bests the AP-14 in CFM, but not in dB. We can only assume the M12-P is both higher in CFM and dB than both, curious as to how the M12-P might compare to the AP-15. NB sleeve with a six-year warranty vs. Scythe ball bearing with a two-year warranty, I can't help but feel the NB is a more polished product with its silicone mounts and factory sleeving.
Edited by adamlau - 12/25/10 at 6:15am
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Manufactures specifications are wrong are totally overrated. Find a reputable third party review that puts the noiseblocker ahead of the Gentle Typhoon.

Martin did some nice fan testing recently, and while he didn't test that particular model of Noiseblocker he did test the Gentle Typoon:



And two other noiseblocker fans:





Both of those models performed much worse than their supposed manufacturer specifications. I see proof to show that Noiseblocker hasn't done the same thing for your fans and overrated their noise levels.

The Gentle Typhoons also use a ball bearing, whereas the Noiseblockers use a sleeve.

I'm not saying you should return the fans you bought, as I think you'll be extremely satisfied with them. They are still excellent fans as those graphs show, much better than average. I just don't like to see people compare manufacturer specifications like they are correct.
and I guess this Martin guy is a reputable 3rd party tester?
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Wow guys stop knockin on his WC present..
Can't wait till see it all set up man.. post more pics then!
Looks good
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awesome goodies there
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