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I built my grandma an uber cheap sempron build (unlocked to dual core) for ~300$. No complaints from her yet
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but you need brains to make more money?
Now that is naive.
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Before I start, I own a Macbook Pro. Just thought I'd qualify my bias here.

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I own a PC and a MacBook and honestly, I would recommend a Macbook Pro to my grandpa (if I had one still alive). Overpriced? Yes they are. But simple and secured. Yep. Apple says: Safe in a Cage.
Macbook Pro, yes. Mac Pro, probably not. For what you're saying about 'Safe in a Cage', I think Charlie Miller put it best when he described Windows as being a house in the middle of the slums with bars over the windows, whilst Macs are a house in the middle of the country with noone for miles around and open windows. Security by obscurity and all that.

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I think older people are much better off with macs. They're easier to use, you don't have to build it, you get insane support at the mac store, etc. The list goes on. The Apple Tax you pay, in my opinion, is worth the extra cost for what you get: an extremely high quality computer with extremely high support.
I totally agree. My Macbook Pro just seems much... better than most of the laptops people throw at me as examples of how I could pay much less and get much more. Sure, they might not have the fastest processors around, but what they do, they do well. The exception is probably the Mac Pro.

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Oh yeah, so his 70 year old grandfather should buy a 2100£ Mac (that's FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS).
No it's not... It's $3250, and when you take into account the 17.5% VAT we pay here, it's really about $2750. So yes, it's a lot, but it's nowhere near what you're saying.

Here's my main point. I don't think anyone in this thread disagrees with the idea that Macs are easy to use. They are designed to be easy to use, and in that way they have succeeded pretty nicely - personally my Mac is extremely easy to use (though I have no problems with Windows either, my computer illiterate mum finds it easier to do stuff on my Mac than on her Windows laptop. You can also get good training - Apple have the Genius Bar which gives plenty of support on getting up to speed, and there are loads of support videos and docs on the internet. Operating systems such as linux are good for this, but they aren't perfect, and I'd certainly say that OS X is easier to use than Ubuntu. You may not agree, it's just what I find.

So, we've established that a Mac is a pretty good choice, money aside. Now comes the financial part. This to me seems like a case of what a guy I know calls 'Swiss Watch Syndrome'. It's where you decide you want a useful product (in this case, a Mac) and thus decide to end up with all the trimmings (so you end up with the top of the line model). Half of what it does won't interest you - in fact you probably won't use half of what it was designed for, or even use it for its primary purpose. It's nice and shiny, it does what you want and so you like it and are satisfied with your purchase. This is especially the case if you don't know what you're looking for. I don't regard myself as an expert regarding pc hardware, but I can usually knock about £50 off the price of a proposed build, because I have knowledge of the topic. If I was told that I needed a sailing boat, and I had plenty of money, I'd pick the fastest one from a company I'd heard of - I'd probably end up near the top of the line model, even though a beginner boat would be much more useful to me. To me, it looks like the same thing for this guy's grandad. He's not that good with computers, he's got plenty of money and he's got his yes-man. That's why he picked the computer, and I bet he'll be very happy with it, despite paying over the odds.

OP - I detect a pang of jealousy - you wish he'd spent the money on your pc, where you could have put it to much better use. Just remember - it's his money, he can do what he wants with it, the Mac's on order and he's probably not going to send it back. He'll probably enjoy it. Let him have his fun

I think he should have bought a nice iMac if he wants a desktop, or a MBP if he wants a laptop. But that's not my choice. It's his.
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Wait a sec... isn't that the economy-sized kettle calling the pot black?
There a load of differences between an enthusiast's overkill pc and an elder with a 2100£ Mac Pro, actually.
     
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I totally agree. My Macbook Pro just seems much... better than most of the laptops people throw at me as examples of how I could pay much less and get much more. Sure, they might not have the fastest processors around, but what they do, they do well. The exception is probably the Mac Pro.
Indeed, most of the laptops you'll find won't have a great build quality. It's the same thing for pre-build desktop pcs.
But for the same price of a Macbook Pro, you can get a top-line IBM Lenovo. And imho Lenovos have a much better quality than Macs.
Anyway, why are we considering only laptops? I think he'd be better with a mini tower or something very little.

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No it's not... It's $3250, and when you take into account the 17.5% VAT we pay here, it's really about $2750. So yes, it's a lot, but it's nowhere near what you're saying.
Yeah, my mistake never been good in math.

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Here's my main point. I don't think anyone in this thread disagrees with the idea that Macs are easy to use.
I actually do. I've used Mac OSX for quite a long time, and I found it everything but easy. Sure, sometims it's easier than Windows, but I still prefer Ubuntu on this point.

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So, we've established that a Mac is a pretty good choice, money aside. Now comes the financial part. This to me seems like a case of what a guy I know calls 'Swiss Watch Syndrome'. It's where you decide you want a useful product (in this case, a Mac) and thus decide to end up with all the trimmings (so you end up with the top of the line model). Half of what it does won't interest you - in fact you probably won't use half of what it was designed for, or even use it for its primary purpose. It's nice and shiny, it does what you want and so you like it and are satisfied with your purchase. This is especially the case if you don't know what you're looking for. I don't regard myself as an expert regarding pc hardware, but I can usually knock about £50 off the price of a proposed build, because I have knowledge of the topic. If I was told that I needed a sailing boat, and I had plenty of money, I'd pick the fastest one from a company I'd heard of - I'd probably end up near the top of the line model, even though a beginner boat would be much more useful to me. To me, it looks like the same thing for this guy's grandad. He's not that good with computers, he's got plenty of money and he's got his yes-man. That's why he picked the computer, and I bet he'll be very happy with it, despite paying over the odds.
That is a point. But what if the rival company of the one you bought the boat from has a MUCH better boat at 3/4 of the price of the one you bought?

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OP - I detect a pang of jealousy - you wish he'd spent the money on your pc, where you could have put it to much better use. Just remember - it's his money, he can do what he wants with it, the Mac's on order and he's probably not going to send it back. He'll probably enjoy it. Let him have his fun
Go into the Intel build logs. There's a goddamn 16 year old that's building a 24000$ (TWENTY-FOUR thousand dollars, and this time I got the price right ) custom pc with 7 monitors, omg***bbq watercooling and double Xeon plus a lot more stuff that will still be overkill in 5 years. And someone should be jealous about a Mac Pro that doens't even have 6 gigs of ram?
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I agree. Personally I would never own a Mac and despise with a passion most Apple products. That being said, Macs make sense for people that want awesome support and ease of use.
I respect that.

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There a load of differences between an enthusiast's overkill pc and an elder with a 2100£ Mac Pro, actually.
I was referring to your response to curing fanboyism, your hatred for mac, your naming of other people as trolls, and how it seemed hypocritical to me. Not trying to offend you or anything though.

Mac is always a touchy subject on forums that mainly have to do with PCs. I personally use them both, enjoy them both, but prefer using OS X when possible. I just don't get why people have so much disdain for the other. It's fine if you do, and I'm not pointing fingers, but I don't completely understand it.

To get back onto the subject at hand. I think a mac pro is overkill for people who aren't going to utilize it's full potential. But who am I to say that it's a bad decision for him?

People get what they want because they want it, regardless of any other reason. I think the bottom line is this... you grandpa is 70 years old. With a mac, he doesn't need support from you if something goes wrong. He can go to Apple, get an answer, and he's on his merry way (see what I did there?). Yes, Apple charges more and an equivelently priced computer on PC would perform better. I also think Macs are easier to use. Set a windows machine or a mac in front of someone who's never seen a computer, I'm more inclined to believe that the mac would be easier to use out of the box.

Everyone prefers something. But you can't expect to plug Ubuntu in front of a 70-year-old's face and expect him to understand it, get help when he needs it, and use it without asking questions. Apple even teaches classes to help you learn to use a mac. I think it's an obvious choice.
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Hence why going with a Mac is the perfect solution!

No offense but I think someone needs to cure YOUR PC fanboy-ism.
Best way to do that is to dual boot Snow Leopard and Windows 7 like I am doing on my sig rig.
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Best way to do that is to dual boot Snow Leopard and Windows 7 like I am doing on my sig rig.
Dual Boot ftw.
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I actually do. I've used Mac OSX for quite a long time, and I found it everything but easy. Sure, sometims it's easier than Windows, but I still prefer Ubuntu on this point.
You seem to be some kind of exception, at least in my experience.

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That is a point. But what if the rival company of the one you bought the boat from has a MUCH better boat at 3/4 of the price of the one you bought?
But does it? That's the thing. I was reading an article about motorbike racing a few hours ago that provides a brilliant analogy. In 2004, the Honda and Yamaha MotoGP bikes had the same basic brake+suspension system, yet the Honda bikes could outbrake the Yamahas going into corners. It was all about how they put the bikes together - the Yamaha needed to be lifted up by a few centimetres so the bike could roll forward under braking (and thus place more weight over the front wheel) - it was a design oversight that made the bikes pretty uncompetitive. With the Lenovo quality - I do not doubt that the Lenovos are well made - they're business laptops after all - but they don't have the same pizzaz IMO. They're well built but tend not to have the same styling - and definitely not the market coverage. It's pretty hard to look for a computer and not see Macs, yet it's easy to look straight past Lenovo - particularly since (at least in the UK) they have no real retail presence. In terms of presentation (as an overall package (market presentation, appearance, build quality), not on single aspects) it's relatively hard to beat an MBP. Not saying it can't be done (and truth be told I haven't looked at any of the really high end Lenovos) just that when you're looking for high quality machinery Apple tends to be a reasonable first port of call - it's why they hold so much of the $1000+ PC market.

Apple seems to have some kind of philosophy that most other people just don't have, it's quite depressing. OEMs seem to be quite happy to just pump out random crap every 3 months that has a low build quality and almost unusable performance, whilst Apple brings out products that tend to work well for what they're meant for, even if they do cost a lot more.

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Just because this isn't a massive extreme doesn't mean you can't feel jealous. Say what you like about the Mac Pro - for the OP it's still £1000 or so above market value - and he'd much rather that £1000 were spent on him - it hurts to see others in your mind throwing away stuff of value. It's a pretty natural emotion.
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im not going to read the first 4 pages...

why the HELL did he buy a mac pro? does he need something like that? so much money. should have just purchased an iMac. **oooo grandson the computer is in the monitor ;_; **. i would never build my grandparents a PC(uber gayman rig) that i would have to support. nor would i buy a mac Pro$$$$$$$$.

ACMT cert here, and a macbook Pro. lol bias
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