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OMG, ok, I'ma say this just once.
This thread is supposed to Guide people in deciding which card to get. Many Many Many people do Not know about the shift in model numbers. Now you, smart ass, tell me Why shouldn't I make a thread that has all the benches, all the results and comparissions and tells the people Why should they get 5870 instead of 6870. ?? I'm off, this arguing is pointless.
The thing is, I'm not being a smart ass. I just called you out on your horrendously misleading first sentence. Also, I don't buy that you started this thread to help people decide between 5870 vs 6870, since you mention nothing about those two. You simply posted a few charts where only one of them is a game benchmark where the 5870 beat 6870 by 5 fps.

Then there's the fact that they show the 6970 beating the 5870, but you leave that out and your bolded take-home point is that the 5XXX is kicking 6XXX's ass.

I don't like pointless arguing either, and there's nothing more to be said from my end.

Merry Christmas and that.
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Given the way the numbering scheme seems biased towards the higher numbers I'm going to be fully expecting them to roll around to saying the 7100 is better than the 5850.
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The thing is, I'm not being a smart ass. I just called you out on your horrendously misleading first sentence. Also, I don't buy that you started this thread to help people decide between 5870 vs 6870, since you mention nothing about those two. You simply posted a few charts where only one of them is a game benchmark where the 5870 beat 6870 by 5 fps.

Then there's the fact that they show the 6970 beating the 5870, but you leave that out and your bolded take-home point is that the 5XXX is kicking 6XXX's ass.

I don't like pointless arguing either, and there's nothing more to be said from my end.

Merry Christmas and that.
+1

OP, I think your intentions may have been good. However, the way you worded your sentences, analyzed the graphs from reviews, and seemingly cherry-picked the right graphs is very misleading. As faraz mentioned, you're slanting this thread to bend in favor of the high end 5000 series, when in reality the picture is not so clear cut. Obviously, a 5770 (and lower cards) are world's apart from even the 6850, which happens to be the lowest end card available in the 6000 series. Depending on the price range any person is shopping in, the 6000 series can offer better bang-for-the-buck deals.

For example, from the same review you originally referenced at Tom's Hardware, I can point out that the 5970 loses out to the single-GPU card, the 6970, in Metro 2033:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...an,2818-9.html

Not to mention that the minimum framerates are higher overall. Or how the cheaper 6800 series mid-range cards in Crossfire can also edge out the 5970 in the majority of all the other benchmarks.

If that was how I started my thread, phrased my sentences, and presented those graphs specifically, I could have you believe the 5970 (or any 5000 series card) is an inferior card in comparison when it is far from the truth. The bottom line is that if you want to inform people about a particular point of view, you need to be open to the possibility that there are plenty of other angles as well too as one person's budget and needs are not going to fit another person's.

Please don't take offense to these criticisms - this is a forum that, I believe, is built upon knowledge to help people from all walks of life. We're all just trying to help each other in the end.
     
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The thing is, I'm not being a smart ass. I just called you out on your horrendously misleading first sentence. Also, I don't buy that you started this thread to help people decide between 5870 vs 6870, since you mention nothing about those two. You simply posted a few charts where only one of them is a game benchmark where the 5870 beat 6870 by 5 fps.

Then there's the fact that they show the 6970 beating the 5870, but you leave that out and your bolded take-home point is that the 5XXX is kicking 6XXX's ass.

I don't like pointless arguing either, and there's nothing more to be said from my end.

Merry Christmas and that.
Not so long ago I saw a thread about a guy who "upgraded" from 5870 to 6870 or something. Benchmarks are good, benchmarks help and show where exactly each card is situated. And *for now* the 4 HD5 cards beat the 4 HD6 cards in performance. That's all the buyer needs to know. And the prices, which are quite similar. In Newegg 5870 is the same price as 6870.
EVERY NEWB WILL BUY THE 6870. And will be screwed. Maybe someone like you gave the precious advice that "oh, man, HD6 is way better" because of a single card, that is not even on the market yet?
I don't get all the whining. Don't you agree it is good to have all the benches in one place? So people can read and refer to them when needed?
The sentence is correct. I pointed that all HD5 cards together have better results than all HD6 cards, which is true, and that HD6 has better CF, which is true, and that tessalation is not much worse on HD5, like some (you) said, which is true.
WHEN the praised 6990 comes out and has some reasonable reviews, I'll UPDATE the thread.
What's so hard to understand here....
Nice holidays to you too.

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5850>6850
5870>6870
5970>6970

i'm pretty sure that's all the OP is trying to say.
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5850>6850
5870>6870
5970>6970

i'm pretty sure that's all the OP is trying to say.
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5850>6850
5870>6870
5970>6970

i'm pretty sure that's all the OP is trying to say.
If you compare it like that, of course the HD5 series will win. Again, the viewpoint is biased in favor of the HD5 series since you are not drawing the comparison to the right succeeding product. We can agree on one thing, AMD did a superb job confusing consumers on the numbering scheme as proven by this thread.
     
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5850>6850
5870>6870
5970>6970

i'm pretty sure that's all the OP is trying to say.
yep, though the new numbering system is still confusing and misleading for a lot of people. It used to be for me....

I bet there has been at least 1 guy that "upgraded" from a 5870 to a 6870.
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I wonder if the 5830 and 6850 would be roughly the same performance.
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If you compare it like that, of course the HD5 series will win. Again, the viewpoint is biased in favor of the HD5 series since you are not drawing the comparison to the right succeeding product. We can agree on one thing, AMD did a superb job confusing consumers on the numbering scheme as proven by this thread.
yes, i understand the new numbering system does not equate the 6850 as the 5850's ugprade, the 6870 as the 5870's upgrade, etc....
but i think the OP is just trying to make clear that the numbering system is indeed different to confuse less potential buyers.

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I bet there has been at least 1 guy that "upgraded" from a 5870 to a 6870.
^this is what i'm talking about.
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