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Ok, these 3 are all $80 right now (well, the H70 is $65 after a $15 MIR, but I never expect to get those back). I know the SA wins performance wise, but will it fit with my very tall RAMsinks? http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55959&...ctic%20Cooling

So if I can't fit the SA, which wins, the H70 or the Archon?

Also, how much of an upgrade would all of those be from a CM Hyper 212+?
Edited by MetalBeerSolid - 12/26/10 at 2:46am
 
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post #2 of 17
the silver arrow no questions ask , i just got one and it's awesome. i use to have the corsair H50 but after i got my silver arrow, my temps were 10 degrees lower go with the silver arrow if your antec 300 case could fit it. it fit in my antec 902 case but i had to remove the side window. oh by the way the Archon is better then the H70
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post #3 of 17
Refer Here. We've discussed most of this throughout the thread.

H50 vs Archon

Actually, the Archon is currently tops in air cooling. In the tests that showed the Archon vs SA, the Archon won. It even matched the SA with a single fan vs dual fans which is beyond impressive. In push/pull configuration, it performs better than the SA with exact config. The problem that I would see with the Archon for you is that I don't believe it would fit into your case because of its height. I read a review that was done with an Antec 900 which has the exact same width as the Antec 300 (8.1" W) and they couldn't close the side panel. My Case is 8.3" W with a 180mm height limitation for the CPU Cooler and would only have 3/8" of clearance for the Archon.

However, I checked compatibility with your Motherboard and the Silver Arrow and it looks great. Your RAM doesn't have heatspreaders so you are good there as well. Just to warn you, it is a Huge Cooler, but it is excellent. It will definitely outperform the H50/H70.

In reference to the Hyper 212+, it is a great budget cooler and much cheaper than these, however, it won't come close to the performance if you really push it with a high overclock.

With all things considered, I believe the Silver Arrow is definitely the best choice for you. It is a wonderful cooler and top 3 on the market today for any cooling solution south of custom watercooling. Hope this helps!
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You know... I'm going to chime in here because though I don't disagree with Melee about ANYTHING that he's said- I was standing in the store looking at the same three that you mentioned (and another TRUE that I was going to put 2 fans on)... and I ended up leaning back towards the H70. Why?

I knew that in its stock form it was among the bottom performing water based coolers around. When I read more and more into it, I realized that it was in fact in the middle of the pack. As I stood there in the isle reading even more about it (trying to justify the decision because it wasn't that cheap when I got it)... I realized that in terms of pre-built water cooling systems it was in fact at the top of its game. Sure, it doesn't bring the glam of building your own water cooling loops with the hours of setup and hundreds (and hundreds) of dollars (no offense guys- major kudos to those of you who go through with it). But from an ergonomic sense, I was getting pretty tired of grabbing bigger, and bigger, and bigger and BIGGER (have you seen the size of these fricken things?!) coolers that were getting heavier, and heavier (you get the point). Now they're twin towered, twin fan, 10lb monsters. And they ain't getting any smaller.

So I drew the line in the sand- grabbed an H70 and went to do my install.

I had read about the noise from the stock "chainsaws" that double as cooling fans. I already had a couple of fans from another mod- noctuas- and put those on the rad instead... quieter 9 blade fans. The install was reasonably easy and the performance has been at least satisfactory. I certainly haven't lost anything... and I've certainly gained some work around room in my case. No sense putting all that time into cleaning up your install wiring to have an immaculate case to show off if all you can see is a hunk of stainless and a bunch of fans. The rad for the H70 tucks neatly onto the back of the case and the pump / cooling plate sits innocently doing what it was designed to do.

The cooler it replaced, I might add, was a Hyper 212+ and that little cooler AMAZED me for the cost. Even with a single fan. Not too big... not too costly... like baby bear's porridge. Juuuuuust right. Don't throw out the extra fan bracket though- that second fan would make the CM untouchable.

So- just my $1.50 but I'm a new advocate of the H70, and the CM 212 (++++) and while I'm sure the other two are sensational- just too big for my liking.
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post #5 of 17
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Ok, well now I'm not sure if the SA or the Archon will fit. As you said, the archon is 170mm tall, which apparently is too tall for my case. And you said I don't have RAM heatspreaders, well I do, and very large ones at that: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55959&...ctic%20Cooling

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you could always get the eco 240 if you have a spot for it. Couldn't find any reviews that compare it to the h50 or h70 yet. At ncix for 135 but I think you can price match it to 100 at canadadirect.com. I'm going to try this today or tomorrow. I've never been denied a pricematch yet but I'm just a bit curious as to how that site can have such good prices.
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Alright, since the other coolers are too damn big, I bought the H70.
 
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Originally Posted by MetalBeerSolid View Post
Ok, well now I'm not sure if the SA or the Archon will fit. As you said, the archon is 170mm tall, which apparently is too tall for my case. And you said I don't have RAM heatspreaders, well I do, and very large ones at that: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55959&...ctic%20Cooling

Is the H70 my only option?
You had G-Skill's listed on your System in your Sig which is what I was looking at. lol But yes, your RAM has humongous heatspreaders. hehe

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Alright, since the other coolers are too damn big, I bought the H70.
I think you made the right decision. If you got the H70 for $80, that is a damn nice deal because the H50 normally costs that much. For smaller cases and especially with large RAM, you really can't beat them. Instead of having a gigantic cooler devouring every bit of space inside your Case, you will have a much cleaner look with great performance. In Push/Pull, I think you'll be extremely impressed. Here is a diagram I worked on when I was planning on purchasing an H50 for myself. Hopefully it will help you get optimal airflow inside your Case.

My Case Manual suggests to have the Top and Rear Fans Exhausting and the Front and Side Fans Intaking. Corsair recommends intaking cool air from outside of your Case into your Case. Exhausting will blow the warm air from inside your Case out of it. These will be extremely similar temp wise unless you have hot gpu's or something along those lines that are significantly heating the air inside of your Case in which Exhausting will simply be blowing that hot air through your Radiator and your CPU temps will suffer. I would recommend pulling in cool air from the outside, as does Corsair. You can always try both and check the difference as well. But here is the Airflow Diagram.

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Good work on the purchase.

CAUTION: Avoid the frustration of taking for granted exactly what they mean by only half turning or quarter turning in the retention bracket. It's a pain in the butt to try and get that pump to fit in the retention ring if you've screwed it in too tight! It's still a bit of a pain- but if I could do it you can!

Also, when you install it pay attention to the orientation of the tubes- sounds like they're best on the bottom of the case (when you stand it up- I messed that up, actually and my side panel barely fit on because the reservoire stuck out a bit!). Additionally, might find the stock fans too loud- don't be afraid to use the resistor cables.

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Question would this be a better layout for someone with an H70?

Just curious about intake vs exhaust on the radiator.

    
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