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i gotta ask, OP are you the same Big Cactus that was banned on EVGA and [H] for your fanboyism?

For those who don't know, i suspect its the same person who's been bashing nvidia cards since 2008

highlights:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1328013
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?...post1032986637

Too bad the EVGA forums changed and there's no archive, would be fun to show those posts.
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i gotta ask, OP are you the same Big Cactus that was banned on EVGA and [H] for your fanboyism?

For those who don't know, i suspect its the same person who's been bashing nvidia cards since 2008

highlights:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1328013
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?...post1032986637

Too bad the EVGA forums changed and there's no archive, would be fun to show those posts.
No.

And no one is bashing Nvidia here last time I checked. At least I haven't any way.
    
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BigCactus is actually a nickname for Shaquille Oneal, a famous bball player that played for the Lakers.
    
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I've used 4 crossfire configs in a group of diametric opposite rigs in the last 12 months. I've had 0 driver issues, save Eyefinity (albeit only at the initial implementation, which is understandable because all has since been sorted out exceptionally). The rigs in question were all built by me, & i've used a variety of processors with the common factor being they all were high performance.

Trifire setups have, without question, been the most impressive. The negative (or substandard) scaling past two cards is clearly overcome +1 for the current cards, and was overcome a generation ago with the 58xx series.

Anyway, the "AMD **** drivers" hyperbole is complete nonsense now.
Interestingly enough, this will likely help AMD's bottom line; though I am sure the sales of the 6970 won't be rewarded. Since the cards are virtually identical to manufacture, we know it won't hurt them to sell x many more units preferable the 6950..at least in overhead.
THANKYOU. I know AMD drivers have had some issues, but the best drivers for 5xxx cards were the 10.5a w/profiles and now for the 68xx/69xx cards 10.12. Once I went to 10.12 from 10.10e 95% of my problems went away, because the 6870s were supported in the version. I think that allot of people blame the drivers for all their woes when in fact it could be a combination of many different factors, and when you add in multiplayer games with servers that might not be updated, and the game code in it's self, then you will still have issues. It's not a perfect world, and allot of these problems get solved through trial and error, hence these forums.

OT:I wish I had waited for the 6950 cards, but I love my oc'd 6870s.
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You should understand that this card has a dual bios, with the main bios being unwritable. You cannot kill the card by flashing with a legitimate 6970 bios. If you get a bad flash, simply flip the switch and your good to go.
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He knows.
Yes, yes I do know. And it's irrelevant to the point I'm making.

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Does he also know that the reference 6950 is identical to the 6970 other than the bios?
Yes, yes I do know ... well, that, and the lack of an 8pin connector. However, this is also irrelevant.

I'm going to say this again, very clearly and slowly:

1) With any video card, a POSSIBILITY EXISTS that, AT SOME POINT, SOMEDAY, your card might completely die, such that you CANNOT access your bios to alter it by ANY MEANS.
2) If you have a modified BIOS on your card at the time this happens, then you will have to RMA your card WITH THE MODIFIED BIOS ON IT. Having a 2nd, backup bios with the original BIOS present DOES NOT HELP YOU IN THIS SITUATION.
3) If the manufacturer has some way of testing the card to determine what bios was on it at the time it died, and they discover that you're running a modified bios, they MAY refuse your RMA.

This is the 'worst case scenario' involved w/flashing any card with any modified bios.

Am I saying this scenario is likely? Not at all. In fact, it's highly unlikely. However, it is not 0%.

Am I saying you're going to kill your 6950 by flashing with a 6970 bios? Of course not. Heck, I'm running 'unlocked' 465's right now, they work perfect. But it's not *impossible*, because you're dealing with electricity here.

All I'm saying is the scenario I've described above is POSSIBLE, and, in fact, I know people that have had RMA's refused because they sent back a dead card w/the wrong bios on it. Conversely, I've also known people who had NO problems sending back a dead card with the wrong bios on it, cause the mfg didn't even check.

Ergo, I'm clarifying what actually IS the worst-case scenario involved with this process.

The simple act of Flashing your card to 6970 bios to see if it works ... that is probably at least 99% risk free, and over time we're going to know if it's basically 100% risk free.

However, running your card indefinitely with that bios ... it is NOT 100% risk-free in terms of your warranty situation.

Are we clear amigos?
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You rma a dual bios card and and only one bios prevents the card from working, isn't it pretty obvious?
And it is possible to completely frag a bios so that the bios becomes unflashable, I've done it
But thankfully I was within my pop warranty, they don't test the card, just ship you out a new one.
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Who cares if Nvidia wins or loses, as long as the consumers win!

We need to be happy, not the companies . Funny how I keep on switching sides. Now I'm lost .
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^

This

Most of the time, a manufacturer will just send you your RMA rather then testing the card. It actually costs more to properly test/diagnose an issue and/or repair it, then it is to send you a brand new one.

Not to mention it's easier on all of us, and quicker.
     
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Most of the time, a manufacturer will just send you your RMA rather then testing the card. It actually costs more to properly test/diagnose an issue and/or repair it, then it is to send you a brand new one.

Not to mention it's easier on all of us, and quicker.
'Most of the time' being the key operative phrase here. If we could, with 100% certainty use the term 'Always' ... then I would not be bringing up any of this. But we cannot do so, can we?

Also, wouldn't you concede that the possibility at least exists that, over time, more manufacturers might step up their checking of the bios versions on 6950 cards that get RMA'd, given that:
a) 90% of enthusiast users are soon going to be aware of this little trick, and
b) if they discover a 6970 bios present on a dead 6950 card, it gives them an automatic 'way out' of having to provide a free card replacement???

Look ... for most of us, this probably isn't a big concern, it's a risk we're willing to take. But for some kid who saves up his paper route money for 1/2 a year to buy the gfx card of his dreams, expecting it to last for 3 years, and that he can RMA w/o a problems during this time period? That is a different scenario.

And therefore, I think it is WRONG to 'advertise' on OCN that this process is totally w/o risk of any kind. There is a risk, and I outlined the conditions of that risk above.
    
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